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Originally Posted by White Sauron
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Is this sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
pity that a good driver gets involved in such ladystuff, better would be to drive the WRC stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
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Originally Posted by Tomi
For a young driver like him, all experience from different conditions is valuable. And rather do IRC with Abarth paying the bills, than use all your dad's money to do PWRC
yes true, but unforunatly the rallies a run on wrong stages, with the current recce rule every pass in valuable.Quote:
Originally Posted by COD
Have you watched IRC rallies Tomi ? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
no.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
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Originally Posted by Tomi
Figures ;)
I haven't tasted haggis but I hate it :D
Why, every guy in skirt eat it, ask Jamie.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Figures what? If you aim to WRC it would be better to get the experience from rallies that are part of WRC rather than IRC, don't you think so?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
No I don't. When these guys are ready for WRC, who knows what rallies there are, might as well be those they drove in IRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Or do I really have to start bending the barbwire ?
Naah only one maybe two are events that have chances to be in WRC calendar and that won't take you far...in a 24 events rotation calendar.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Capice or do you want me to hand you the barbwire so that you can play with it?
You dont know, how far is your answer from reality. You will see in next years...Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
How do I get somekind of deja vue feeling, was this not the same some guys said about the great ERC a few years back too.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Kindly define what you mean by "next years"? WRC calendar for next two years is pretty much set and I don't see any former IRC events in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Of course anything can happen but the only two events from the current IRC calendar that have a possibility to be in WRC are Russia and China, and even with those earliest 2010.
Please do. The whole point was that someone can call IRC ladiesstuff without having watched it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
it is ladystuff, someone call s2000 spectacular because of the sound of the car too.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I disagree. As noted already, future champs should be equally dominant on both, gravel and asphalt. Currently PWRC is mostly gravel, therefore IRC is the best Alen can get in terms of asphalt experience. I must say, few guys in IRC are even better then Loeb on asphalt, and Alen wasn't far behind them. I see great future for Alen in IRC and then in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
PWRC is all gravel (+1snow event) 2008
IRC is good for tarmac training
Abarth make desicions what they will drive, not A.Alen him self.
I suggest that both You and Don Jippo go and watch a single event before you criticize this Serie so much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
By any chance are you referring with this to the fact that you were in San Remo this year? Knowing a bit of your backround I would say that this event has a special place in your heart and therefore it would be great event for you being it part of any series, WRC, IRC, ERC etc etc. I am wondering if you would have the same feeling if you went to see IRC for example in China were the entrylist was not really great, was there any of the IRC contenders in China?Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Surely there are good elements in IRC but being a serious series don't you think there should be at least competitors in each event...could you imaging a season ending Wales Rally GB being run without any WRC contenders?
Yes Sanremo has a special place in my heart so what ? :p : However both you and Tomi have unfairly criticized the IRC serie from the very start of it. It's a new serie with few Manufactories but with great events in the Calender, and next year will have more Team and drivers involved...why not given a chance ? In China the entry-list was poor because the Champ was decided already, it has happened to WRC too ;) Also NZ never have a great entry list eventhough it's a fantastic event...Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
btw ask the Guy who was with me how spectaculary were those cars on wet surface ;)
But that's the cars and stages and not the series that makes it spectacular.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
I go to Finland because of the WRCars, makkara (I still owe you a pack of those horrid blue cheese ones don't I DJ?) and Gr F cars. Would I go if it was just an IRC round? Probably not because the calibre of drivers isn't as high and the machinery isn't as fast :)
San Remo has always been good in the wet especially when there are lots of leaves on the road ;)
For me its the same if there is a IRC or not, Its just not the right place for drivers who aim to the top in rally, but its a good serie for guys who has failed in WRC or has no aim to drive on the top of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
Also the events that are in IRC was before the IRC and will be after IRC, so the series brings nothing new really.
Big offtopic.
Maybe we should back to thread theme? :)
So anybodie knows if Martin Rauam will run on PWRC 2008?
For me, S2000's are by far the most boring cars that I have ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
agree with Wim Impreza...spectacular a car is not from the sound, but from torque as it exits a corner
:p
Sure it is. Problem is there are only 2 of them :) Enjoy it. That I call boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
My idea of rallying is competition.
Yes.Exactly.Me the same.I hate when S2000 stops when they are going out of hairpins or some more tightens corner.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Let's continue this in the proper forum...
Don't worry guys, the Finns will start to like IRC when Alen wins next years championship ;)
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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
It's not the feeling I have when I watch them in video ;)
Like every cars, if they have a slow driver they won't be spectacular :mark: but with an excellent driver they will :p :
I just don't get it. IRC and S2000 has attracted new and old constructors to rallying. Driven by the right person, these cars are just amazing to watch. It's been a long time I had the 'chicken skin'-feeling in Belgian rallying and it is very simple why: a decent driver putting the VW Polo to its limits. If you tell me this is boring than you don't like rallying. Next to the VW there were some WRC's with bad drivers behind the wheel not even half as spectacular as the Polo on its limits, now that is what I call boring.
Rallycars are boring if not driven by the best (best is not supposed to be future world rally championship driver, best at local championships is best too) drivers fighting for the last seconds. It's the battle that makes rallying spectacular, not the cruising. This counts for for N1, N2, ... R2, R3, S1600, S2000 and WRC and that is what the sport is all about: competition on closed roads!
If you don't like S2000 or IRC, don't bother it: go watch the so exciting WRC!
I must say, that I am wisiting WRC events for many years and I must say, it is worse and worse. Good drivers are leaving and "bad but rich" drivers are there. But huger problem are cars. There is lot of electronics, it isn't good to spectate. I must say, I will rather go to IRC, ERC or national event than WRC...Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
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Originally Posted by HaCo
I salute you HaCo :up:
It's not the torque which stops the cars at hairpins, it's how they are driven. I've also seen amazing footage, rallyes from Belgia, Italy, Poland national level where Polos, Puntos and 207s have been driven like hell. And these guys were unfamiliar to me before.
Now I not only know S2000 is amazing class but there are brilliant drivers in national series out from Finnish borderline too :up:
Sure, on a dry road going uphill maybe the S2000 don't slide much round the hairpins, but honestly, the WRCars don't do much sliding these days either, even without active diffs.
When the road is wet however, or going downhill when the torque doesn't matter so much these S2000s look much better.
If we are talking IRC vs PWRC, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw there is no asphalt in the 2008 pWRC calendar! If you look at the 2007 pWRC standings I really don't think you can say it is a more competitive environment. In fact if you are looking for a competitive environment in which to learn driving on all surfaces, pWRC is a total waste of time and money.
[quote="PLuto"]
This is a good one :) , can you name 1 good driver who could have stayed, that has left WRC because the concept is bad.
Yes, Gigi :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
That's not what Pluto said though, just stating the facts as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
What did Gigi actually say about other than WRC cars, do you remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by pino