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Malaysian Boeing 777 missing
Bad news this morning,is that. Boeing 777 series 200 ,is missing on a flight from Kuala Lumpar to China.
There are over 240 passengers and aircrew on board.All contact was lost with the plane over Vietnam.
The plane was fuelled for a 7 hour flight,but there has been no messages from the aircraft ,we can hope that Terrorism is not the cause of the aircraft going missing ,and pray for the people who boarded this plane ,and it's crew as well
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unfortunately you probably only have two choices - catastrophic failure caused my turbulence or terrorism. There was no message whatsoever. radar shows the plane veered lost 600ft and then disappeared.
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Two passengers travelling on stolen passports...that smells pretty bad.
The odds of that happening (without collusion) must be miniscule.
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If it was terrorism then surely there would have been a very public claim by now.
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According to reports the Vietnamese authorities believe they have located parts from the missing airliner in the South China Sea .Photos show what appears to be a door,and they also say a tail fin has been found too.FBI says there were 4 suspect people on this flight,two of them on stolen passport.The passports were stolen over a year ago in Thailand,and Interpol knew of this .Interpol says no authorities got in touch with questions about the two suspects on this flight before the plane departed.They are saying only an handful of airlines check with them about stolen passport .They are calling it lax security
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The floating object had no connection with the missing airliner and neither was the oil slick spotted which was from a ship.
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Seems your correct BleAlvano,news here just confirmed the oil slick is NOT from the airliner,and the picture of the door,search crews cannot locate.A complete mystery !
How can you hi jack a large airliner to another country and keep it quiet,OR why has NO organization claimed they are behind it ?
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Originally Posted by edv
Two passengers travelling on stolen passports...that smells pretty bad.
The odds of that happening (without collusion) must be miniscule.
I would have a guess that a good proportion of flights (especially in the region) have people traveling on fake passports.
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Originally Posted by edv
Two passengers travelling on stolen passports...that smells pretty bad.
The odds of that happening (without collusion) must be miniscule.
They have probably nothing to do with it all, I would say it is more likely that they are some
sort of drug smugglers or trafficking people or something like that.
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It does seem the press are spending a lot of time on an unknown.
It is a strange situation though. Whether through sudden complete failure or a terrorist act, it would seem hard to just make an aircraft disappear without something giving a better indication of what took place.
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Given that there isn't lots of widespread debris (or any debris in fact) I guess that means it went down pretty much in once piece.
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A quite extensive article from BBC which explains what what countries and what units that are used in the search:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26514556
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Originally Posted by driveace
How can you hi jack a large airliner to another country and keep it quiet,OR why has NO organization claimed they are behind it ?
It's UFOs.
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Originally Posted by airshifter
It does seem the press are spending a lot of time on an unknown.
It is a strange situation though. Whether through sudden complete failure or a terrorist act, it would seem hard to just make an aircraft disappear without something giving a better indication of what took place.
That part of the world probably doesn't have a lot of radar coverage or air traffic control. At least not what more modern countries do. Though there are enough countries with military units in the general area that you would think somebody would have spotted something.
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What happens if say, there was an issue with the guidance system and/or other electrical faults?
The aircraft might not even be within a projected area of where it's supposed to be. What if for argument sake, this was like Adam Air Flight 574? A whole multitude of problems hitherto unknown might surface due to something that pilots weren't even expecting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Air_Flight_574
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the latest theory is that the aircraft made a left turn at the point where it disappeared and
flew west over the Malacca peninsula where the trail end with a radar contact somewhere near
the island of Pulau Perak in the Malacca straight.
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It took the search crews five days to find any trace of Air France 447 so this doesn't seem that unprecedented?
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Originally Posted by RS
It took the search crews five days to find any trace of Air France 447 so this doesn't seem that unprecedented?
Also with AF447 they knew pretty well where to look due to that AF had received automated messages called ACARS.
There might be ACARS messages in this case as well but the it's unlikely since they start looking
in the area around the Malacca strait.
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It's been confirmed on the news this morning that the fake passport men were Iranians seeking asylum in Germany, extremely unlikely they are connected with any terrorist plot.
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Just saw on a spanish news paper that apparently some of the cellphones are still active or calls are going through but nobody picked up...(wondering if this is the case then why hasn't the location of these phones been found out?)
http://www.lavanguardia.com/internacion ... teste.html
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Originally Posted by Storm
Just saw on a spanish news paper that apparently some of the cellphones are still active or calls are going through but nobody picked up...(wondering if this is the case then why hasn't the location of these phones been found out?)
http://www.lavanguardia.com/internacion ... teste.html
What?!
That doesn't seem likely to me if they are under 2 miles of ocean.
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I have watched enough Air crash investigation episodes to know when a plane crashes a device fitted to the flight recorder sounds a beep on a certain frequency to help locate the plane. Usually used when it's on the ocean floor. There should be some evidence on the surface that it crashed in the water in the first place. Assuming it has.
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Originally Posted by RS
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Originally Posted by Storm
Just saw on a spanish news paper that apparently some of the cellphones are still active or calls are going through but nobody picked up...(wondering if this is the case then why hasn't the location of these phones been found out?)
http://www.lavanguardia.com/internacion ... teste.html
What?!
That doesn't seem likely to me if they are under 2 miles of ocean.
It very easy to explain and in it short it means that the phones aren't active, it's just the mobile network
trying to locate the phones and while it does that it might appear as the called phone is ringing despite
that it is actually turned off.
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Originally Posted by JasonPotato
I have watched enough Air crash investigation episodes to know when a
plane crashes a device fitted to the flight recorder sounds a beep on a certain frequency to help
locate the plane. Usually used when it's on the ocean floor. There should be some evidence on the
surface that it crashed in the water in the first place. Assuming it has.
Yes it is called an "Under water locator beacon" and it is not used to locate the plane but
only to locate the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder,
The UWLB sends a ping every 60 seconds at a frequency of about 35KHz and a strength of about 165dB.
The beep can be heard at depths up to 6000m and the batteries lasts for at least 30 days.
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the daily mail have a brief explanation to the ringing: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ctive.html
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Two girls say on a recent flight they made,the junior pilot ( first officer) that was on this flight,approached them whilst in the queue at the gate,and asked if they would like to come onto the flight deck to see them .The Australian girls been interviewed on CNN tonight.It also seems like the flight recorders were turned of and the plane made a sudden left turn ,then flew for another 1 and a half hours before radar lost track of the plane.So it actually flew back across Thailand .The sea they are now looking at for the aircraft is quite shallow ,they are talking of 400 ft in the deepest places,so maybe easier to find . The Malaysian authorities knew that the plane had made a sharp left off it's intended course,but sat on that information for 36 hours !
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Thanks Ble. You would think in this day and age a plane would have a proper built in tracker that cannot be turned off. I mean even my iphone has a tracker so if it gets stolen it can show the rough location it is.
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Originally Posted by JasonPotato
Thanks Ble. You would think in this day and age a plane would have a proper built in tracker that cannot be turned off. I mean even my iphone has a tracker so if it gets stolen it can show the rough location it is.
I wager that if your iPhone were under 3 feet of water, it would be impossible to find.
Salt water (of which the ocean is made) is a relatively good electrical conductor. Radio waves do not travel well through good conductors; partially hence the reason why a Faraday Cage works.
A plane which is under water (assuming it has sunk), even with the best tracker in the world, can not escape the physical properties of the ocean in which it would have fallen into.
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Originally Posted by JasonPotato
Thanks Ble. You would think in this day and age a plane would have a proper built in tracker that cannot be turned off. I mean even my iphone has a tracker so if it gets stolen it can show the rough location it is.
I wager that if your iPhone were under 3 feet of water, it would be impossible to find.
Salt water (of which the ocean is made) is a relatively good electrical conductor. Radio waves do not travel well through good conductors; partially hence the reason why a Faraday Cage works.
A plane which is under water (assuming it has sunk), even with the best tracker in the world, can not escape the physical properties of the ocean in which it would have fallen into.
Not quite accurate. The boxes used on airplanes are designed to work under water. The effective range is substantially reduced though.
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Originally Posted by JasonPotato
Thanks Ble. You would think in this day and age a plane would have a proper built in tracker that cannot be turned off. I mean even my iphone has a tracker so if it gets stolen it can show the rough location it is.
There is a reasonable explation to why every electric or electronic powered item on an
airplane can be turned off. The reason is fire. In case (or risk) of a short-circuit and/or fire
in an electric item or circuit. That item needs be able to be turned off to prevent the fire from
spreading and etc. Therefore the pilots have the possibility to isolate all electric items and all
electric items have a fuse that can be removed for that purpose.
So if you have a transponder which is powered by the aircraft generators and which you cannot
turn off, if there is a short circuit you might risk loosing the entire aircraft because of fire
that started in a transponder that you couldn't turn off.
So something that might be beneficial in one situation might not be so beneficial in another situation.
So it's basically a pro/con thing when it comes to the ability to turn something off. What is the most useful?
Having a transponder that is on at all times or a transponder that can be turned off to prevent a fire?
Also regarding those two women, well I think it is more of a made up scandal by media rather then something
that actually happened. I also don't like the way they (indirectly) accuse the F/O of being the reason to
the missing aircraft.
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The wreckage might have been found by Chinese satellites.
The location of the wreckage is in the South Chinese sea, pretty much along the planes expected route to Beijing.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2 ... 5f8520c7a3
http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2 ... ca9ee78df2
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CNN is confident that the images from the Chinese of Satelite pictures show maybe the site of the missing 777 plane.An oil rig worker had reported seeing a burning plane in the sky,that appeared to be on fire for 10 to 15 seconds .Says he reported what he saw but has no idea if his message got through .
So maybe a good sign ,and hopefully some questions can now be answered !
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Who turned off the Transponder<<< Would have to be big explosion to turn of everything and no communication from the cockpit.
The plane did have enough fuel to reach the iranian coast.
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They're now saying the satellite images did not show the plane.
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Originally Posted by Roamy
Who turned off the Transponder<<< Would have to be big explosion to turn of everything and no communication from the cockpit.
The plane did have enough fuel to reach the iranian coast.
I don't think it was an explosion that turned off the transponder since debris probably
would have been found in that area. That does not exclude a possible explosion later on
but at the moment it's not likely that the plane exploded where it was heard from.
The Guardian have a pretty good coverage so I would recommend you read the summaries.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2 ... ve-updates
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With the fuel that was on board , this plane could be 4,000 miles from where they are searching .
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I should have said it could have been 4 hours in the air after the transponders were deactivated , which would be in the range of 2,600 miles .
And , speculation is all anyone has .
It is what will lead to the truth .
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
I should have said it could have been 4 hours in the air after the transponders were deactivated ,
which would be in the range of 2,600 miles .
And , speculation is all anyone has .
It is what will lead to the truth .
When the plane left Kuala Lumpur it had fuel for about 7,5 hours and when it reached
the the waypoint where it last was heard from it had flew for about an hour or so.
This means that it had fuel for another 6-6,5 hours if you take into consideration that
it could have used the reserve fuel.
Here is an overview of how far it could have reached if it stayed at the altitude that it was
flying at and if it flew at the standard cruise speed (Mach .84),
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=NAW-KUL%2C ... 389&EU=kts
A map view of where the plane disappeared on some other points of speculative interest such a nearby
airport (Trang) that some speculate it might have tried to divert to, a second airport that also have a VOR
with the same name (TRN) as the airport some believe that they might have tried to divert to and
the small island of Pulau Perak where the Malaysian airforce might have seen the missing plane on radar.
https://i.imgur.com/eBV166Y.png
A map with the locations for the waypoint where it disappeared (first waypoint), the place of
the Chinese debris (2nd waypoint, wasn't related to MH370) and the oil rig where a New Zeeland
oil rig worker claimed that he saw a burning plan (third waypoint).
https://i.imgur.com/eBV166Y.png
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If you see the flight path, right at the end where they lost contact it started turning.
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The latest thing I've heard is that the engines have their own data transmission and continued to send information for six hours. No idea whether that's true or not.