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dj_bytedisaster
He did get his ass handed by
a) the team, which stole his potential victory at Canada (and apologized afterwards).
Stole? No. Ricciardo made better use of his strategy and was faster when it counted.
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b) the car which kept breaking down while RIC's didn't. Even Marko admitted that and that says a lot
PB had 3 car related retirements during 2014. So did Ricciardo, if we count him being DSQ at Australia.
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c) the fact that they had to change the chassis three times throughout the year.
And every time they changed it, it didn't make any change difference in his performance - Ricciardo was much faster all the time.
Besides that, changing your chassis is quite normal and not indicative of a issue.
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d) he went into the season with a massive mileage deficit as he also had the majority of mechanicals during the abysmal winter tests and RIC got the entire Bahrain test with Vettel not running at all.
Facts are still your worst enemy.
There were 3 pre-season tests in 2014.
One at Jerez and two at Bahrain.
At Jerez Ricciardo did 10 laps, PB did 11 laps.
At Bahrain, altogether, Ricciardo did 148 laps. PB did massively less, massively. He did exactly 147 laps. So a grand total difference of exactly 0 laps over 3 tests. Of course, it was not an ideal test period for them, but it should have been more than enough. Actually, Ricciardo was the one who suffered more, because he was new to the team.
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There is no doubt that Danny got used to the different characteristics of the car quicker than Seb, but the picture is massively skewed by the fact that Vettel's year was like Lewis' start to 2016. He had all the bad luck in 2014. If you look at the second half of the 2014 season, you'll see that there wasn't much in between them.
Pacewise, Ricciardo was much faster pretty much all the time. The only races in 2014 where Ricciardo was not better were Malaysia and Brazil. It was his racepace that was clearly superior to that of his teammates and that stayed constant in whole of 2014.
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RIC is good, but he is not championship material, because he lacks the consistency. He is brilliant in one race and rather anonymous in the next. He was looking good in 2014, but a year later, against Kvyat he looked distinctly beatable while Vettel was back to his old self.
The only reason PB looked better in 2015 than in 2014 was because he had a weak teammate. If you look at his actual performances, he made plenty of errors and plenty of bad weekends. When your teammate is Alcohol Kimi, who was massacred in 2014 by Alonso, then beating him is not exactly difficult. If his teammate in 2015 had been Lewis, Ricciardo, Alonso - you would have seen exactly the same as in 2014. A total beatdown on PB.
Also, let's not forget that according to rumors, Ricciardo was besting the best times vettel did in the Red Bull simulator already in 2013...
As for Ricciardo not being championship material? In the Red Bull from 2009 to 2013, he would have taken 5 titles.
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People seem to forget that the great Ayrton Senna once barely beat Berger by a single point. There were only five races in 1992 in which both Maccas finished and Berger finished higher than Senna in three of them
You need to check your stats.
When both of them actually finished the races, it was in favour of Senna 3-1.
Besides that, the difference is that in 1992 Berger rarely had the measure of Senna in speed, neither in qualifying nor in races. In 2014, Ricciardo had the measure of his teammate in speed pretty much all the time.
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Long story short: Being handed your ass and having a bad season are not the same thing. Kimi Räikkönen was handed his ass, first by Alonso then by Vettel, but looking at 2015 you can easily see that Seb hadn't forgotten how to drive. He had just inherited Webbers car
No, he inherited a weak teammate, just like in 2013. The only time he had a teammate who was competent, he was destroyed.
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zako85
And let's not forget the infamous 2011 season when Button ended 2nd in WDC and clearly dominant over his now three times world champion teammate. According to Button himself, this was the best season he had in all of his career.
In 2011, LH was actually not lacking in pace, but was lacking in brains. Maissvely different from Red Bull situationin 2014.
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dj_bytedisaster
AS I said, it was a bad season and in no way comparaböe to how Vettel drove in 2013 and again 2015. It seems people look only at the points and not how it came about. In that regard Lewis was humiliated by Button in 2011 and lets not forget that over the entire three years Button and Hamilton were at McLaren, Button scored more points too. Boy, that guy must be hopeless...
The only difference is that in 2013 and 2015 PB had a teammate who was completely out of his depth. The first time he met a quality teammate, he ran away from the challenge.
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dj_bytedisaster
That shows how much you know about F1 - the words 'nuff anything' spring to mind. Lewis stayed at McLaren because he had nowhere else to go. You saw in 2012 how quickly that changed when he took the first offer he got. Vettel had publically stated when he was still at Toro Rosso that the ultimate goal was to get into a Ferrari seat. In 2014 he had an offer and he took it because a performance clause allowed him to accept Ferrari's offer.
What I really laughed loudest about was mentioning Lewis Hamilton and the word character in the same sentence. You can't be serious. The only one with less character is Alonso, and that guy took part in race fixing and blackmailed his team. Granted, Lewis' deliberately lying to the stewards and the press at Melbourne 2009, leaking team telemetry data and leaking details of a confidential meeting in Spa '14 might look a bit pale in comparison to Alonso's list of transgressions, but attesting him character is a bit rich, especially when you say a man with one more title than Lewis and Multi21 as the only real blot on the vest has none.
Yet, nothing quite bests threatning to sue your own team like your hero did.