It was rather stupid to start such a topic at the first place, right from the start of the season the Vision racing has been rock solid on ovals and it's no wonder 2 vision racing drivers were up there, and when the driver input becames slightly more important which is when they run on roadies, the truth immediately emerages. I mean, it's not even a debate of CC and IRL, Ed Capenter is even worse than most of the past IRL drivers.