What is the future for the GT class ?
And what cars are homologated in this class ?
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What is the future for the GT class ?
And what cars are homologated in this class ?
No GT car has international homologation valid in rallying.
What is a Gt car?
OK, but it was talk about that, to allow them in FIA rallies, or is my teflon brain striking again ?
I have seen Porsche GT3, Nissan 350, and Aston Martin cars. Are there more made ?
Aston Matrin would be useless on gravel and they do not have a place in rally anyway.
Sulland: They are very different cars based on different national regulations.
For example there is huge difference between Porsche of Vallejo in Spain and Porsche of Dobberkau in Germany. The former is complete special made of circuit Porsche Supercup (plastic body panels, special suspension, 470 Hp, carbon brakes, traction control...) and the former is N-GT with normal H gearbox, normal suspension, much heavier etc.
I think they dont differ much from circuit cars because the Aston Fontes uses on the portuguese rally championship is too used on circuit races.
Francis: You are not right. Aston used by Fontes is FIA GT Circuit car with six liter V12 engine, that's right. But Prodrive Aston built as rallycar and used in for example Race of Champions is four liter V8 with group N modifications. It's also made of circuit car but these two are really very different.
What speeds could GT rally cars reach (unlimited)?
Depends on particular gearing. Circuit GT1 Astons around 330 km/h.
What would that be in m.p.h?
Oh sorry I didn't know that, I read it was used on circuit, but i guess i didn't read it carefully ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
N-GT was the class I thought it was some discussion allowing, but was it in IRC they talked about this, but was not given green light by FIA ?
But they are reasonably priced, and have a soundpicture that make goosebumps, especially the GT3's so they would make sense, at least for many Gentleman drivers, that does this for fun !
I agree but we can't do anything if FIA says no...
Is there a certain safety issue with these cars nowadays? If you rolled the Aston for example with that roofline? Doesn't seem like much margin but I'm no expert.
I think they add a great bit of variety to fields in national rallies. And also come with a great soundtrack.
Try again maybe, FIA is "new" since the last time... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Better ask that in a seperate thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
Or, dare to use the internet.
Roughly 200+mphQuote:
Originally Posted by Josti
N-GT porsche road challenge run about 250 km/h or 155 mph. More final speed should make no sence at a rally stage, actually 225 km/h but even better acceleration would be enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
In Spain, the highest speed I've heard was 214 km/h, achieved by Alberto Monarri with a Ferrari 360 Rallye, but it was in a night rally,and Porsche is a better car, so 220 km/h must be achievable
225 km/h with a 911 GT3 Road Challenge is possible. That was reached in Belgium with Patrick Snijers in 2008.
There will be a Nissan 370Z this year with Chris Van Woensel in Belgium. Gentlemen-drivers Françis Lejeune and Henri Schmelcher will again drive a 911 GT3. Also some Porsches Cayman S drove here in 2008 and 2009.
Loved the Cayman !Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
What about the Lotus from the French Championship?
Interesting article in this months Evo mag, they gave Delecour a shot of the new GT3 RS on some of the local roads where he lives (also a stage on the Monte) With a few little mods he believes it would be a top ten car.
Video link supplied by Daniel on another thread..
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetev...he_gt3_rs.html
Francois in a factory entered GT3 on the Monte?.. that would be well worth taking the trip to see, would hold far more appeal for me than even the top WRC cars.
Good article and video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
True what Francois says; imagine them on the Monte? Would look and sound spectacular. So it won't be allowed. WRCars sre boring and quiet by comparison.
Shame :(
And he's also right about Porsche's potential in rallying, marketing wise.
It's a shame that, back in the 70's and 80's, Porsche never realized what they could do in rallying with full factory support.
Maybe there is hope for the GT class now that FIA will see if they shall approve it as a class in WRC !
I hope they are able to agree on the rules and regulations for this one, would as said before love to see GT cars i rally, and it is a perfect class for the Gentlemen drivers, and also for the spectators !!
http://www.rallylink.it/news//images...bbiese.jpg.jpg
http://www.rallylink.it/news//images...d_aste.jpg.jpg
http://www.rallylink.it/news//images...itorri.jpg.jpg
Nice cars !
And maybe FIA will allow them soon !
Nice photos..
Looks like the GTs are getting their regs:
Cool !Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
This is a great!
We’ll have more diversity among cars. Let’s hope that we can see GT cars also on gravel, not just tarmac. This would be like in 60’s, 70’s and early 80’s when there were cars like Porsche 911, Renault Alpine, Lancia Stratos (which is IMO one of the most beautiful rally car).
OldF, dont forget also snow (at least on Monte) :)
Evo were a bit dumb doing that on public roads and not editing it. If the FIA see that, Evo will have cost him his competition licence. Todt said he will take hard line on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
How could I be that careless?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
In 1975 Björn Waldegård with a Lancia Stratos won the Swedish rally.
Just think about if both WRC and IRC will allow GT Rallycars for 2011, would be so nice to see and hear !
And the leaks/rumors on the tech regs looks promising.
Does it need any adjustments ?
Love the Lotuses, they look like modernised DarriansQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
...yeah, imagine d'Aste in Monte next month... if just that'd turn true...Quote:
Love the Lotuses
Is the regulations for this class published yet ?
Otherwise it could be hard for Tuthill to prep a car for Sweden.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...ppx%202011.pdf (page 12)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
4. CARS ELIGIBLE TO ENTER WRC EVENTS
- World Rally Cars complying with 2011 Appendix J.
- Group A cars including S2000 cars conforming to 2011 Appendix J Art. 254A and Art.255A.
- Group A Kit Cars with a corrected cylinder capacity of less than 1600cc.
- Group RGT cars conforming to 2011 Appendix J Art. 256
- Group R cars.
- Group N cars. These cars may use FIA regionally homologated components (RVO) as in Article 4.4.3.
- Regional cars
- National cars
No Article 256 in the 2011 Appendix J so far. But this doesn’t mean that the regulations aren’t ready, FIA is just little bit lazy to publish the regs. For example the new WRC regs was published on the FIA’s web page around 23rd of December but 2011 Appendix J (Article 255A) tells that it was published already 11.11.2010.
Hopefully Tuthill has them... :p