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Can someone help me , j would like to know the results of :
Lyon-Charbonnieres 1963 5° to 10°
Lyon-Charbonnieres 1967 4° to 20 °
Spanish 1966 all the result ( R.A.C.E .)
Spanish 1967 10° to 14° ( R.A.C.E. )
Acropolis 1976 11° to 20°
Acropolis 1979 14° to 18°
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Dario
Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
Dario, here you'll find what I can add.
'67 Charbonnières (4th to 10th):
4th, Jean-Pierre Gaban & Jean-Marie Jacquemin, Porsche 911S
5th, Bob Neyret & Jacques Terramorsi, Citroën DS 21
6th, Jean-Claude Ogier & Lucette Pointet, Citroën DS 21
7th, René Trautmann & Philippe Leyssieux, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF
8th, Patrick Lier & Silvio Vaglio, Sunbeam Imp
9th, Fernand Schligler & Georges Couzian, Renault 8 Gordini
10th, Sylvain Garant & Branco Stoikovitch, Porsche 911
'67 RACE (10th):
10th, Henri Gréder & Marie-Claude Beaumont, Opel Commodore GS
'79 Acropolis (14th & 15th)
14th, Ohu & Diener, Lada 1600, 17h37'17"
15th, Gemenis & El Nak, Datsun 1600 SSS, 17h5012"
Carles.
Thanks very much Carles , j have a little question about Acropolis 79 , j have 13° Gemenis 12° A. Jaroszewicz and 11° J. Sedivy, but if is wrong , who is 13° for You ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carles Bosch 02
Best regards
Dario
Here you are the rally classification, according to "sport-auto", july '79:Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/589...neado15rx5.jpg
Carles.
Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th
1972 - 4th-10th
1973 - 2nd-10th
1974 - 4th-10th
1975 - 6th-10th
1976 - 4th-10th
Akropolis 76:
11. Trautmann/Roch - Peugeot 504
12. Kerc/Serre - Peugeot 504 inj.
13. Pagani/Chatriot - Peugeot 504
14. Lekkas/Makrinos - Audi 80
15. Riper/Kaiser - Opel Kadett GT/E
16. Culmbacher/Weitz - Wartburg 353
Regards
januszsz
Thanks very much CarlesQuote:
Originally Posted by Carles Bosch 02
Best regards Dario
Thanks very much Januszsz , little question , Trautmann is Renè o Claudine Bouchet Trautmann ?Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Best regards
Dario
It was Claudine.Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
And one more question on RACE rallies:
in 1978 there were two co-drivers named Sabater classified in top 10. One was paired with Fernandez and the other one with Servia. What were the first names of them?
Regards
januszsz
J have :Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
Benny Fernandez - Victor Sabater and
Salvador Servia - Jorge Sabater
Regards Dario
1976Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
4° F.Lezema - Abana Ford Escort RS1800 3.38'02 "
5° S. Canellas - Ferrater Seat 1430-1800 3.41'12"
6° Bonet - Arnelia Ford Escort RS 1800 3.44'23"
7° Arroitia - Predera Opel Kadett GT/E 3.53'08"
8° G. Ortiz - Cabal Simca 1200 3.54'00"
9° C.Torres - Pina De Morais Mazda RX3 4.03'07"
10° Echave - Uriarte Simca 1200 4.04'16"
Regards
Dario
[quote="januszsz"]Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th j have nothing
1972 -
4° Gargallo - Ramon Porsche 911
5° Beaumont -Giganot Opel Commodore
6° M. Sainz -Onoro Alpine A110
1973 - 2nd-10th nothing
1974 - 4th-10th nothing
1975
6° Trabado - Serrano Seat 1430 a 16'32"
7° G.Ortiz - Cabal Simca 1200 a 17'57"
8° Arrota - Pradera Opel 18'53"
J have only this , j am sorry
Best regards
Dario
Thank you very much Dario.Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
May you let me know times of 1-3rd (1976) as well as times of 1-5th (1975).
Regards
januszsz
According to a Greek auto magazine ( 4 TROXOI):Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
10.(car No 86) H.NIEBERGALL - B.FROMANN Wartburg 353 10.57.44
11.(52) H. TRAUTMANN- S.ROSS Peugeot 504 10.58.34
12.(107) A. KERC- F.SERRE Peugeot 504Ti 10.58.54
13.(109) P.PAGANI-FR.CHATRIOT Peugeot 504 11.02.20
14.(120) J.LEKKAS - EM. MAKRINOS Audi 80GT 11.04.42
15.(102) K. RIPPER - M.KAISER Opel Kadett GTE 11.05.41
16.(143) E.CULMBACHER - R.WEITZ Wartburg 353 11.07.55
17.(101) M. MOSCHOUS - "IKAROS" Alfa Romeo Alfetta 11.24.20
18.(48) D.SPANOS - E. GALLO BMW 2002 TI 11.24.53
19.( 139) P.LAPIE - M.GERTON Citroen GSX2 11.25.13
20.(60) K.KYPRIANOU - A.LONGINOS Hillman Avenger 11.25.41
j have not the time of the 1 ° 1975Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
2 ° + 4 ' 06 "
3° + 7 ' 30 "
4° + 8 ' 47"
5° + 13 ' 32 "
1976
1° De Bagration 3 . 25 ' 43 "
2° Darniche 3 . 28 ' 29 "
3° Zanini 3 . 37 ' 24 "
Best Regards
Dario
Thanks Very Much DIMI44Quote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
Can you help me for other results of old Acropolis ?
Thanks in advance
Dario
...........................Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
16) HIBURGER - WEITZ VARTBURG 353 WR 17.53.33
17) PROTOPAPPAS - " ISAVROS" DATSUN 160J VIOLET 18.02.50
18) PANOURGIAS - HAIMANIS RENAULT 18TL 18.11.25
(4 TROXOI magazine No 106,July 1979)
We will see !!!!
If it is after 1979............ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
Before 1979 I have not many documents.
16th should be Heimburger (there above is a spell mistake) and in 1976 co-driver in 11th was Serge Roch not Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
I have Claudine Trautmann in 11th (1976) and Dimi44 suggest it was Henri. Anybody can solve the problem?
By the way Dimi are you able to add some Greek first names? Do you have entry or starting lists?
Regards
januszsz
j hope yes . this is my questions :Quote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
1985 16° - 20°
1982 17° - 20°
1981 19° - 20°
1980 18° - 20°
1975 14° - 17°
1960 15° - 20°
1958 16° - 20°
Very thanks anyway
Best regards
Dario
Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
'72 Rallye España (4th to 10th):
4th, Julio Gargallo & Jaime Ramón, VW-Porsche 914-6, Group 5, 2h48'30"8
5th, Marie-Claude Beaumont & Christine Giganot, Opel Commodore GS, Group 2, 2h48'49"0 (1st Group 2, Coupe des Dames)
6th, Lucas Sáinz & Juan Carlos Oñoro, Renault 8, Group 5, 2h5'54"6
7th, Marianne Hoepfner & Yveline Vanoni, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S, Group 4, 2h52'28"6 (1st Group 4)
8th, Jean-Louis Clarr & Pierre Thimonier, Opel Ascona SR, Group 1, 2h56'28"5 (1st Group 1)
9th, Luis Neto & "Jocames" (João Canas), Fiat 125 Special, Group 2, 2h57'07"8
10th, Wiklund & Wiklund, BMW 2002, Group 2, 2h58'44"2
'73 Rallye España (2nd to 10th):
2nd, Estanislao & Antonio Reverter, Alpine Porsche A110, Group 5, 10.277'5 pts
3rd, Claude Haldi & Federico van der Hoeven, Porsche 911 Carrera RS, Group 3, 10.293'5 pts (1st Group 3)
4th, Marc & Marie-Christine Etchebers, Porsche 911, Group 5, 10.300'5 pts
5th, Antonio Zanini & Jordi? Sabater, Seat 1430 Especial 1600, Group 2, 10.642'6 pts (1st Group 2)
6th, Juan Carlos Pradera & Alfonso? Comyn, Seat 124, Group 5, 10.798'8 pts
7th, "Crady" (Juan Gemar) & Fernández, VW-Porsche 914-6, Group 5, 11.246'5 pts
8th, "Squalo Rivero" & Goyanes, BMW 2002 ti, Group 1, 11.947'9 pts (1st Group 1)
9th, "Gekados" & Gascó, Seat 1430, Group 2, 12.253'5 pts
10th, Valero & M.? Alonso, Seat 1430 Especial 1600, Group 2, 12.329'2 pts
Carles.
Only for precission, Benigno (real first name) Fernández was known as Beny, not Benny.Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
On the Sabater question, both were, incidentally, brothers: Víctor the younger & Jordi (catalan) or Jorge (spanish), the older.
Carles.
Thank you Carles,Quote:
Originally Posted by Carles Bosch 02
Would you add time and car's group of the RACE'73 winner as well as times and car's groups of top 3 for RACE'72?
In 1972 10th was Finland's Johan Wiklund, sorry I don't know first name of his co-driver.
I have still some more questions on Spanish ERC rounds. I'll prepare them soon.
Regards
janusz
Akropolis 1958:Quote:
Originally Posted by dario
16. Paul Guiraud / Alain Bertaut -F- Peugeot 403
17. "Sim" / "XK" -?- Jaguar
18. Dr Joachim Kühling / Kurt Schöttler -D- Borgward Isabella
19. Minaidis / Apergis -GR- DKW
20. Nikolopoulos / Kaloudis -GR- Alfa Romeo Junior
Akropolis 1960:
15. Ewy Rosqvist / Anita Rosqvist -S- Volvo PV 544
16. John Milne / Bill Bradley -GB- Austin Seven
17. Giorgos Raptopoulos / Kirlagitsis -GR- DKW
18. "Ion" / "Monza" -GR- Panhard Dyna
19. J.Suma / P.Gianikostas -GR- MG A
20. Lazaridis / H.Liberopoulos -GR- Auto Union 1000 S
I'll check if I can add something for 80's.
Regards
januszsz
I am looking for following results:
Costa Brava
'74 3rd-10th
'75 6th-10th
'76 2nd-10th
'77 2nd-10th
Firestone
'74 3rd-10th
'75 4th-10th
'76 5th-10th
'77 6th-10th
Regards
januszsz
Hello januszsz,
there are results I have :
Costa Brava
'74 3rd-10th
3.Cortes / Mira E Datsun 1200
4.Cid / Manté E Seat 1430
5.Borges / Morais P Renault Alpine A110
6."Jean Claude" / Sallen F Seat 1430
'75 6th-10th
6. Serra / Mor E Seat 1430
7. Galo / Graforte E Alfa Romeo GTV
8. Regis / Gardelles Opel Ascona
9. Jordi / Monforts Seat 1430
10. Oldina / Malgatan Seat 1430
'76 2nd-10th
1. A.Zanini / J.Petisco E Seat 1430
2. S.Servia / J.Sabater E Seat 1430
3. F.Lezama / J.Arnaix P Ford Escort RS
4. A.Borges / A.Morais P Porsche Carerra
5. Serra / Vizern Seat 1430
6. Werner Schweizer/Bernd Ostmann D Opel Kadett GT/E
7. Caba / Aymand Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
8. Bohigas / Navarro E Seat 1430
9. Bonet / Lledo E Seat 1430
10. Candela / Prat E Seat 1430
'77 2nd-10th
2. J.de Bagration / M. Barbeito E Lancia Stratos HF
3. F.Lezama / J.Arnaix P Ford Escort RS
4. Roothaert / „Vaillant” B Opel Kadett GT/E
5. J.M.Fernandez / Cortel E Porsche Carrera
6. H.W.Schewe / G.Dederisch D Porsche Carrera
Firestone
'74 3rd-10th
3. Pradera / Comyn P Seat 1430
4. Reverter / Reverter E BMW
5. Paul Faulkner / Mike Broad E Ford Escort RS 1600
6. Billy Coleman / o' Sullivan IRL Ford Escort RS 1600
7. Julio Gargallo Alfa Romeo GTA
9. P.Ch. Olsen BMW 2002
'75 4th-10th
4. Marc Etchebers / Etschebers E BMW 2002
5. Sunsundegui / Larinaga E Renault Alpine A110
6. Andrzej Jaroszewicz / Vojtina PL Fiat 124 Abarth
8. Stawowiak PL Fiat 125 p
'76 5th-10th
5. Beny Fernandez E BMW 2002
6. Kevin Videan Datsun 240 Z
7. Colin Grewer Opel Ascona
8. W. Schweizer Opel Kadett GT/E
9. J. Zorilla Simca 1000 Rally II
10. G. O’Shea Simca 1000 Rally II
'77 6th-10th
6. Oliveras / Brugada Ford Escort RS 1800
9. B.Krupa / P.Mystkowski PL Renault 5 Alpine
Hi,
does somobody have old results of Rallye Sanremo?
1979 - 16th to 26th
1982 - 16th to 27th
1983 - 16th to 36th
1984 - 12th to 35th
1986 - 21st to 38th
Thanks Jirka rk
[quote="jirka rk"]Hello januszsz,
there are results I have :
Costa Brava 14 - 16 February 1974
1° C. Haldi / Hoeven Porsche Carrera 15828
2° JC.Pradera / Comyn Seat 1430 16805
3° .Cortes / Mira E Datsun 1200 16989
4° .Cid / Manté E Seat 1430 17147
5° .Borges / Morais P Renault Alpine A110 17516
6° "Jean Claude" / Sallen F Seat 1430 17704
7° Folgade / Dalmas Renault 12 G 17919
8° Borau / Villa Seat 1430 18043
9° F. Tarras / Vinyes Seat 1430 18114
10° Marco / Vingislau BMW 2002 18186
Ritired:
B. Fernandez ( Alpine 110 ) - R. Pinto/A. Bernacchini ( Fiat 124 Spider ) -A. Zanini ( Seat 1430 ) - M. Pregliasco / Garzoglip( Lancia HF ) -
Thanks Very Much for the Acropolis !
Best Regards Dario
[quote="jirka rk"]Hello januszsz,
there are results I have :
Costa Brava
'77 2nd-10th
1. B. Fernandez / N. Dural Ford Escort RS1.8 12685
2. J.de Bagration / M. Barbeito Lancia Stratos HF 12894
3. F.Lezama / J.Arnaix P Ford Escort RS 1.8 13033
4. F.Roothaert / „Vaillant Opel Kadett GT/E 13034
5. J.M.Fernandez / Cortel Porsche Carrera 13100
6. H.W.Schewe / G.Dederisch Porsche Carrera 13146
7. Caba / Armani Porsche Carrera 13212
8. JS. Coulomieres / Bondet Opel Kadett GT/E 13303
9. Bonnet / Arnella Ford Escort RS 13309
10. A. Ferjancz / Iriczalvi Remault R8 G 13900
Regards
[quote="jirka rk"]Hi,
does somobody have old results of Rallye Sanremo?
1979 -
16° Fragale / Fornengo Fiat 127 Sport
17° Pisi / De Fabritis Fiat 127 Sport
18° Garin / Motroni Vw Golf GTi
19° Incudine / Barberis Opel Kadett GT/E
20° Peyrani / Bracotti Peugeot 104 ZS
21° Martino / Turco Fiat Ritmo 130
22° Maselli / Zagoreo Opel Kadett GT/E
23° Campanelli / Baòestra Citroen GS
1982 -
16° Pittoni / Dominioni Peugeot 505 T
17° Caravelli / Vallaghè Peugeot 104
18° Malacarne / Pastorino Fiat 127 Sport
19° Martino / Martino Vw Golf Diesel
20° Biamonti / Barberis Sunbeam Talbot
21° Balestra / Rapetti Fiat 127 Sport
22° Bellina / Mattei VW Golf Diesel
23° Rossi / Rovetta Autobianchi A 112
24° Alberti / Incardona Alfasud Ti
25° Rovelli / Amati VW Golf Diesel
26° Garibaldi / Castillet Fiat 127 Sport
27° Galliano / Biondi Fiat Panda 30
Regards dario
I have one entry list for 1976.(It is a little dirty because I used in the ss!!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
If you have a fax I can send you.
(apologise for my very poor English).
About Greek first names.Ooohhh...If I know the man,ok.
OK, great! I am interested in the entry list of Akropolis '76. I'll send you my fax number on Private Message.Quote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
Regards
januszsz
[quote="jirka rk"]Hi,
does somobody have old results of Rallye Sanremo?
1983 -
16° S. Fabbri / Cecchini Fiat Ritmo
17° Bono / Angeli Opel Manta
18° " Tchine " / " Tin Tin " Opel Manta
19° C. Dorche / Morin Citroen Visa
20° Porcellana / Milano Fiat Ritmo
21° Ricci / Montagna Opel Kadett GT/E
22° Bozzo / Turco Ford Escort XR3
23° Malacarne / De Vincenzi Fiat 127 Sport
24° Biamonti / Tomagnini Opel Ascona
25° Ameglio / Saglietto Peugeot 104 ZS
26° Martino / Martino Vw Golf GTi
27° Pisi / D'Orsi Fiat 127 Sport
28° Ferraro / Durantini Autobianchi A 112
29° Meylan / Cartier Datsun Violet
30° Blanchi / Perruchetti Citroen Visa
31° D'amico / Greco Ford Escort XR3
32° Rocchieri / Abate Alfasud Ti
33° Barbarigo / Cerretti Fiat Panda 45
34° Gracci / Montagnani Simca Rally
35° Pacella / De Marco Autobianchi A112
36° Polato / Bacco Fiat X 1/9
1984 -
12° Fabbri / Bosco Fiat 130 Ritmo
13° Cravero / Mandrile Opel Manta GT/E
14° Chiti / Boretti Fiat Ritno 130
15° Francia / Dotti Opel Manta GT/E
16° Porcellana / Riccardi Fiat 130 Ritmo
17° Meylan / Bertozzi Nissan 240 RS
18° Ricci / Montagna Opel Kadett GT/E
19° Alberi / Milano Citroen Visa Chrono
20° Bozzo / Fernando Fiat 130 Ritmo
21° Becucci / Bottai Fiat 130 Ritmo
22° Martini / Martino Ford Escort XR3
23° Fantei / Moggia alfasud Ti
24° Peuplier / Sauce VW Golf GTi
25° Biamonti / Tomagnini Ford Esort Rs
26° Benza / Segati Ford Escort XR3
27° Bianchi / Perucchetti Citroen VIsa
28° Vincenzi / Rabellino Opel Corsa
29° Bianchi / Soma Opel Manta GT/E
30° Bravata / Barbieri Fiat 127 Sport
31° Guglielmi / Salvini Talbot Samba Rally
32° Rossi / Berninsone Ford Escort XR 3
33° Ferrando / Giotti Fiat 127 Sport
34° Elena / Stuani Alfasud Ti
35° De Sanctis / Leva Autobianchi A 112
1986 -
21° Sontheimer / Sontheimer Toyota Corolla
22° Maier / Bosì Ford Capri
23° Della Colletta / Galli Opel Kadett GT/E
24° Peuplier / Denkin VW Golf GTi
25° Malbert / Billard Audi 80 Quattro
26° Bracotti / Venturiello Peugeot 205 GTi
27° Texier / Taveneau Mercedes 190
28° Ameglio / Stuani Fiat 127 Sport
29° Klein / Deubel Toyota Corolla
30° Struyf / Ambroggi Citroen Visa
31° Saly / Casini VW Golf GTi
32° De Marion / Derreunaux Talbot Samba
33° Cravino ( Ferrando Fiat 127 Sport
34° Dollà / Nuvoli Autobianchi A 112
35° Cataldo / Bianceri Alfetta GTV
36° Mascagni / Mandarini Fiat Uno SX
37° Hugla / Mabit Mitsubishi Lancer
Best Regards
Dario
22nd Rally Acropolis 1975
14. Andreas PAPATRIANTAFILLOU - Emmanouil HALIVELAKIS Toyota Corolla 13.53.26
15.E. MAKRIDAKIS- I.OURANOS Opel Kadett 14.22.57
16.Georgios RAPTOPOULOS - KORRES Austin Allegro 1300 14.28.10
17. "DINO' - N.PAPANDREOU Opel Ascona 14.38.7
Rgds
Dimitris
27th Acropolis Rally 1980
18.( car No 58) CL. LAURENT - J.MARCHE Peugeot 551 A16* 15.27.34
19.(78) Manolis (or Emmanouill) HALIVELAKIS - Costas EXARHOS Toyota Corolla 15.44.31
20.(86)Pavlos MOSHOUTIS - H. LIONIS Ford Escort RS 15.49.25
* as is written on starting list,on other papers " Peugeot 505"
Rgds
Dimitris
28th Rally Acropolis 1981
19. Costas LABROPOULOS -Sotiris STELLIOS Toyota Corolla 18.37.34
20. G.LOUKAS- S.BELLAS Toyota Corolla 18.41.04
29th Acropolis Rally 1982
17. George RAFTOPOULOS - ' JIGGER" Porsche 911
18.M.VLACHOS - N. THEOFILOPOULOS Ford Escort RS
19. C.MONCHMEYER - J. JAHNS Toyota Starlet
20.G. LOUKAS - Sotiris STELLIOS Toyota Starlet
Rgds
Dimitris
Thanks very much DimitrisQuote:
Originally Posted by DIMI44
Best regards
Dario
Sorry Januszsz , do you know also the results of Acropolis 1956 and 1957Quote:
Originally Posted by januszsz
11° to 20 ° ? and the best European drivers started ( but not arrived ) in the same years ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Dario