He lost over 15 seconds on that last lap and seemingly slowed down right at the very last corner to a snails pace. Does anyone else find that worthy of some kind of inquest. It smells extremely fishy.
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He lost over 15 seconds on that last lap and seemingly slowed down right at the very last corner to a snails pace. Does anyone else find that worthy of some kind of inquest. It smells extremely fishy.
Yes, that was obviously the only explanation, nothing to do with dry tyres on a wet track.
Damn, it was exciting though.
check Trullis last lap time (also a 1m44sec) - the toyotas were the only ones to stay on drys, and it gained Glock a couple of places, but was just too wet.
Gentlemen, start your excuses!
UFO's. What about the UFO's!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mifune
Dammit I was going to blame them as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I personally don't think the track was that wet but who really knows?
Wait 'till the stewards dock Lewis with 25s for not securing his steering wheel after the race!
Well, fish live in water and the simple reason was dry tyres on a wet track don't stick :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by bowers
There was no evidence of it raining harder on that last lap. The Toyota of Glock was pulling faster/equal times than Lewis up until that final lap. How can you deny that there is a possibility of something like that happening? There are millions perhaps billions of dollars at stake, I think it's foolish to think that something like that can not happen until we see some evidence of it not happening. It's a possibility and I expect someone will say something in the press soon, probably Alonso. Obviously you'd need to see the on-board or telemetry of Glock to get a good idea.
oh, hell.
can't someone just win and someone just lose the championship around here?
there's been enough of this rot all year.
if you're not aware enough to see that both toyotas were on slicks (and i even predicted to my GP buddies, when everyone pitted, that toyota or bmw were most likely to stay out), then don't bother commenting.
it rained hard at one end of the circuit. he had no grip. his lap time on the last lap was comparable to his team mate's, also on dry tyres.
sometimes, it happens that way.
he did well to finish sixth because, if you examine it, he lost a further six or seven seconds on the straight sprint from there to the flag, so almost half the slower lap time you're talking about happened after hamilton overtook him.
if you want an inquiry, you could also ask what the lapped BMW was doing joining the fight for fifth between hamilton and vettel, but that wouldn't suit the argument, would it?
Suspicious move, but everyone was fine with Kimi moving over the other week, why should it matter if it's a different team?
Glock was certainly slow all the way up the hill so might have had a problem but the only thing we can do is wait for the official word from Toyota.
You're not ioans ugly and rather dense cousin are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by bowers
Obviously Toyota are worried about the credit crunch and are looking to sell everything to Mercedes and retire from f1. That would explain it :p
no evidence apart form the rain you mean, and the slow sector times all lap, virtually identical to the other car on drys.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowers
why in the world would Toyota ever even consider accepting a bribe, even if you entertain the thought that one was offered.
i suggest you check the splits on the last lap, and the fact that it was soaking and dark by the time the cars got round the slowing down lap
Trulli, as has been said, also slowed on the last lap and lost a place. Glock's last lap was 1:44.731 (sector 1: 24.8/s2: 54.7/s3:25.0); Trulli's last lap was 1:44.800 (s1: 26.1/s2: 55.7/s3: 22.8)
Both Toyotas, indeed, ended up.... still where they would have been or better than if they had stopped for wet tyres. (Trulli ended up where he would have been, Glock was one place better). It may not have looked like it, but they still won the gamble even with their shocking final laps.
And the CIA shot John F Kennedy.
Good grief. Charlie Brown.
Ferrari paid off Glock. They had money ready to pay off stewards, etc. and in all the confusion at the end they paid the wrong guy. Looks good on 'em.
Try reading, nowhere in this thread have I said Glock was on rains... it's common knowledge he was on dry tires on his last stint. He was setting faster lap times on all but that last lap on his dry tires!!! Put your bias aside and think about it... at this point in time we don't know if he went off track (also a high possibility) but if he didn't, losing 15+ seconds on the last lap to a guy that was slower/equal to you can be considered suspicious right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
Also Kubica joining the battle hampered Vettel way more than Hamilton as he actually fought with Vettel and casually strolled past Hamilton in an attempt to get his lap back (you know incase the safety car came out it would make a lot of sense to do that), but that is an absolute non-issue so why you're even bringing it up confuses me.
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
Most people know very well how dry tyres and a wet track work but it just seemed like Glock basically left the door open for Hamilton. Who knows. Perhaps his tyres just went off but he was very slow around the last couple of corners. As with a lot of these things it would be very difficult to prove anything of course :) I think it's a very fair view to have, just as I can perfectly understand why people are saying that it was just the wrong tyres on a track that was a bit wet. Who knows but I think the OP has a valid point :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
Glock wants to drive in HK's car next year or so, and was demonstrating his "team skills".....no sire he will not complain about being required to Q with heaveirer tanks to stay out of LH's way
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Originally Posted by Daniel
NO Doubt...someone needs to check his emails, driver data and radio comunocations....on the other hand, no MAC for Vettel anytime sooner
Why don't you put your bias aside and see that Glock's team mate was just as slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowers
As for Kubica, he shouldn't have been involved at that time. If the SC had come out then the race probably would have finished behind it meaning that it would have made no difference, or lapped cars would be allowed to pass and join the back of the snake.
Okay then prove the evidence that it rained more on the last lap. What are you a Sao Paulo meterologist? I understand the Toyota's were both slow and I understand how that supports your position right now but that's not conclusive to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robinho
As for bribes in F1? Are you kidding me? There are so many many reasons why team or individuals could accept bribes on F1, and I should hope you would know that. It could be money, it could be engineering, it could information on other teams... who knows but there is fuel for bribes all over F1. It's probably happened a bunch of times and I'm not saying it happened here, it's just the framework for it to exist is there in my eyes. I'll reserve my judgement until I see something conclusive but I highly expect something to be said on Ferrari's behalf... you know how they are.
Let me be clear, I'm not saying this has happened. I'm not saying it didn't happen either... we trully have to wait and see. It's all speculation at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
A half-lap before Massa began the last lap I started seeing the guys who had changed to the inters start to slip and slide under accelleration. It was that close that the grip really started to go. Knowing full well Glock was on dry tires, as Massa was approaching the chequred I was screaming to get some idea where Timo Glock was on track and how fast he was going. To be honest I was wondering if I'd see a wrecked Toyota on the side as the cameras followed Hamilton around on the final lap. To me, seeing Glock (getting passed) in the last corner was amazing but not entirely suprising.
i have seen a ufoQuote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
but why on the last lap when they had run about 4 laps after the rain at a higher speed
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey T
1. Glock and Trulli did a good job to even stay on the wet track on dries, better known as slicks. Anybody who has been caught in rain on slicks knows it is akin to driving on black ice on regular tires, something every Cdn. should and had better understand.
All you have to do is remember the carnage in previous races when sudden showers caught everyone out or when someone went to slicks too soon.
2. How in the world would McLaren communicate with Toyota and Toyota with Glock in the course of, to be generous 2 laps, without the whole world knowing. Until Vettel passed Hamilton it didn't matter. Team radios are monitored and pit boards watched.
3. 1 point in the constuctors championship is worth millions.
Please think about it before we have anymore nonsense.
I was fighting as hard as I could, says Glock
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008...ne-motorsports
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Many people will be praised for helping Lewis Hamilton become formula one champion but prior to yesterday, few would have imagined Timo Glock being among that group. The Toyota driver, however, has probably become the second most popular racing driver in Britain following his slip on the final corner of the final lap at Interlagos which allowed Hamilton to overtake him and, in turn, take the title.
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"It was raining quite badly and it was just impossible on the last lap," said Glock. "I was fighting as hard as I could but it was so difficult to just keep the car on the track and I lost positions right at the end of the lap.
what do you read in to this?
http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring...103-97970.html
Glock almost caught us high and dry: Dennis
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Team chief Ron Dennis admitted Sunday that McLaren were caught out by Timo Glock's decision to stay on dry tyres at the end of the Brazilian Grand Prix
Stupid rumour, stupid thread.
If Glock hadn't gambled on drys then Massa had no chance in the last 5 laps.
No chance.
Anti-McLaren conspirators (whoever they are on this occasion) should be holding Glock in high praise for giving Massa at least half a chance of the title up until the final corners.
And giving us a brilliant conclusion to the title.
http://www.toyota-f1.com/public/en/g...azil/race.htmlQuote:
"I was on dry tyres at the end of the race when it was raining quite badly and it was just impossible on the last lap. I was fighting as hard as I could but it was so difficult to just keep the car on the track and I lost positions right at the end of the lap. Finishing in the top six is a decent result for me because I'd been struggling with the car earlier in the weekend but we were very close to fourth place so I am a bit disappointed. It's the end of my first season with Toyota and I'm happy with it as a whole. It was not easy for me early on but we improved the car a lot and I also improved myself during the year. Since Hockenheim it's been positive for me; beating my target of 20 points and finishing on the podium as well is a good achievement. Now we have to work even harder for next year to make another step forward."
Is someone going to accuse Toyota themselves of bias?
I don't think that it matters much to Toyota who wins the driver's title - they don't buy customer engines off of anyone and they don't supply Toyota engines/engineering to either Ferrari or McLaren.
This was a case of a gamble that very nearly came off for them... and failed.
To me it is clear. They expected Glock (and Trulli) to do what everyone else did. Come in for tires. If the rain had held off for another lap or not come down quite so hard the gamble would have paid off and Glock would have finished in front of Hamilton AND Vettel. That would have increased Toyota's funding for next year by several million.
F1 Breaking News - Glock Was HighQuote:
Originally Posted by Malllen
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.c...dline=s6i43164
...and actually worked out for Glock, who finished 1 place higher than he would have if he came in and changed to wets. This stupid insinuation of conspiracy is simply absurd and is born out of frustration rather than reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rollo
http://s1.subirimagenes.com/imagen/1...amilton-f1.gif
Made me laugh.
Lolz.
There was a mention that Glock wanted to come for a tyre change for the last lap, but the team told him not to because there were already people on the pit lane. ;)
ROFL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Powered by Cosworth
But even if it is true, it's part of the game.
Of all the things that could be said about that race, I never thought this would be one of them! McLaren paid off Toyota? Got a bank transfer done on the final lap did they? You can see why the world's largest car manufacturer would be strapped for cash and accept bailouts :p
OK, how about this baseless rumour. Ferrari paid Kubica to unlap himself and mess up Hamilton's race :rolleyes: