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I am a Ferrari fan, but that's humiliating for Formula 1. I am saddened. It was a great victory for Hamilton.
Not sure I agree with the FIA on this one.
I'll have to read the motivation of this decision first.
Good for Massa and Ferrari. Who says Kimi is not good second driver..
I don't like races to be decided in court, but in this case it is justified imo.
A very sad result. And after a race for the lead which was not only such a blast to watch in the last few laps, but which was obviously as fairly fought as a naturally competitive situation involving cars can get. Is there anything left to say?
Seriously, as an observer you can take so much, but these kind of decisions are beginning to intrusively deaden the sport for me.
That's such a bull move that just shows how even people in power in the sport are biased by their opinion of Lewis. Hamilton had to cut the chicane because Kimi squeezed him (fairly) but yielded the position to where he'd have been anyway, right behind Kimi.
I really can't see how this is justified. Regardless, Hamilton is still leading the championship, but this is decision is really hard to agree with
What?????
Well as I said......if the track were dry, then maybe.......but????
This is bad for the sport. It will fuel the FIArrari speculation and guarantess that nobody will try overtaking anymore.
what the #$@%$%^%$^#&$%^&$^@#$%^
Fools and Idiots Association strikes again
Let's wait and see if it was the chicane, or the 4x line changing. With the chicane move I agree there was nothing wrong (imho).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Jan Yeo
that depends on what you think he did - if you thinks its fort he weaving you were complaining about then thats not what was penalised, but for the advangtage gained by cutting the chicance - i can see some rationale for a slap on the wrists or even a nominal (say 5sec) penalty, but not for 25 seconds - i have a feeling that there will be an appeal over this one
Absolutely and utterly rediculous decision and I am absolutely gobsmacked.
I've never said it before but I feel that almost all the decisions the FIA are making are ruining their sport :down:
I hope Lewis still wins the title and gives them the two fingered salute!
:angryfire
McLaren will appeal and will win the appeal IMO.
How ing stupid this is
The FIA want racing they get it
Hamilton goes off but lets Kimi passed so he wont be penalised then this happens
Does anyone have a contact for these idiot belgian organising stewards
McLaren should sue or threaten to pullout and push ahead with other teams and form their own championship so Ferrari can race themselves
ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!
kimi puts him off the road, hamilton comes back on, drops back then overtakes and kimi spins off the track, what kind of advantage did hamilton gain!...NON WHAT SO EVER!....but hes penilised 25 seconds.....F1 IS DEAD TO ME!.....RACING..WHAT RACING!
I can not believe that!!!! If Lewis had not cut and carried on, he would have hit Kimi out the race and given a drive-through for an avoidable accident......So he avoids it, gives the position back and gets a drive-through.......this is as mad as the Keegan/Ashley saga at Newcastle.
I hope McLaren appeal!!!!! FIA has just killed so called RACING!
Mark I believe they are the same stewards at every race to try to ensure consistency....god knows they are Ferrari fans :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by m.lowe
Where does the 25 sec penalty come from? Who dreamt the penalty up? Why not a fine? Questions, questions?
I want FM to win, but not in that way. Such victory is pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by J4MIE
Confirmed the penalty was for cutting the chicane and gaining an advantage
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7602830.stm
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Originally Posted by christophulus
How the hell did he do that he give the place back for gods sake
Scrap F1 Lewis and come and do the WRC
I'm not usually a believer in conspiracies, but honestly I have to say that McLaren is getting penalized way too easily, this time almost for nothing. :down:
Also Coulthard has been crashing for the whole year and has got no penalties. Kovalainen got a penalty only for one thing. :down:
i nearly got turned off f1 after the Spy-Gate incident...but this freakin incident can really put me over the line unless Mclaren wins the appeal
It's such a shame that one of the best races of the year so far has descended into a farce. I'm pretty sure McLaren will appeal and I really hope they win
Alright, who let iMoan in the stewards' room? ;)
So essentially this is what has happened in the last couple of weeks: Ferrari nearly kill someone in Spain and get a slap on the wrist; Lewis Hamilton races somebody and gets penalised for it. Well, as long as that's the way we're racing, I'll go and find something less contrived. NASCAR perhaps...
Of course, it's worth remembering that because they've had to surrender £100 million to Max's Chelsea Dungeon Fund, McLaren haven't got the same amount of money to spend on backhanders as certain other people...
:rotflmao: Good to have a laugh in such serious thread. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by herra47
Anyway, I hope this case will get a fair solution. McLaren should definetely appeal and win it too!
I don't see how Hamilton gained an advantage between the chicane and La Source. He allowed Raikkonen to re-take the lead and was back into the same position he had been just before the chicane, ie. challenging Raikkonen for the lead of the race. I can't see where Hamilton gained the advantage.
The FIA is a joke.
Ferrari put peoples health & safety at risk in Valencia with ludicrous pitlane antics and get a small and meaningless fine. One race later a driver is forced into a move which he then immediately reverses and is approved by the race director and is punished with what is effectively a 8 point penalty.
F1 doesnt need the FIA, infact it is ruining the sport and holding it back from becoming more popular, what with Max Mosley's antics, the ridiculous witch hunts from last season and a string of obscene and out-proportioned penalties against McLaren this season.
I'm not so sure it is a serious thread, it all seems like bit of a joke to me. Never mind Max bringing the sport into disrepute it's the crazies in the steward's office that are the laughing stock :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jens
Last season Lewis lost the title because of his own stupidity, it'll be a travesty if he misses out this season because of a 4 point penalty which makes no sense.
Calm down everyone!
It was a great race, Lewis will probably still win the WC, and (I know I'll get slaughtered for this, but oh well) it makes more talking points and gets more people discussing F1. I'd say it even adds to the excitement!
Furthermore, Nick Heidfeld is my fav driver, so happy days! 2nd! Hooray!
Cost saving idea for the FIA: just award the Constructors and World Driving Championship to Ferrari and whichever Ferrari driver they want to have the WDC Title. Hundreds of millions of dollars can be saved. Obviously the racing doesn't mean anything.
Yet another reason why Formula One will never be popular in the U.S. American fans won't watch a sport where old fat guys in suits decide the results, instead of the competitors.
What little credibility that the FIA had left is now gone, IMO.
I guess they got worried that if LH gets too far ahead, the TV revenue will collapse. Now we can not have that, now can we?????
But again, from the perspective of a dry track condition, then there seems to be some justification for such a penalty. My problem is that the rack was wet.
And this shows how wet and difficult: "In a chaotic final couple of laps, Heidfeld jumped from eighth to third place on the track with what he called a "hero or zero decision" to come in for wet-weather tyres with two laps to go."
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I guess they got worried that if LH gets too far ahead, the TV revenue will collapse. Now we can not have that, now can we?????
But again, from the perspective of a dry track condition, then there seems to be some justification for such a penalty. My problem is that the rack was wet.
And this shows how wet and difficult: "In a chaotic final couple of laps, Heidfeld jumped from eighth to third place on the track with what he called a "hero or zero decision" to come in for wet-weather tyres with two laps to go."
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I guess they got worried that if LH gets too far ahead, the TV revenue will collapse. Now we can not have that, now can we?????
But again, from the perspective of a dry track condition, then there seems to be some justification for such a penalty. My problem is that the rack was wet.
And this shows how wet and difficult: "In a chaotic final couple of laps, Heidfeld jumped from eighth to third place on the track with what he called a "hero or zero decision" to come in for wet-weather tyres with two laps to go."
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There might be added another 25 seconds for blocking Kimi off 2 corners later from retaking the lead by changing lines 4 times ...Quote:
Originally Posted by christophulus
Absolutely perfectic decision, McLaren should appeal.
I would like to hear how the race stewards decided Hamilton gained an advantaged by cutting the chicane.
They will and they win the appeal IMO. And I think that if there is a punishment it shoould mirror the one at Valencia - a fine.