Do anyone know the price of the GT86 R3?
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Do anyone know the price of the GT86 R3?
Aprox 38 000 Euro x VAT, before option packages for the racing car. No details I can find on the R3 Rally car yet.
I guess price for the R3 will come right after Rally Germany, where it will be used as course car.
"TMG is the GT86 CS-R3 show the public the first time at the Rally Germany, the WRC around Trier Isolde is moving ahead as a first prototype car of the event. This application will also serve to determine the final specifications of AUO. As a result, the purchase price and more information will be announced."
Details Race car here:
http://www.toyota-motorsport.com/mot...st_2014_00.pdf
And there we have the price on the Rally version and that is 79 000 € before VAT!!???
Why in h*ell is it twice as expensive to build a rally car compared with a racing car. Does that make sense?
Tech gurus of the forum pls explain this to a simple Viking??
It's nothing strange. Volumes make incredible difference in the price of parts. Just an example... Your designer works for 50 Euro/hour and he spends 1000 hours on the development of one part. If You make 100 of those parts You must put 500 Euro of his work into every part. If You make 1000000 of those parts You put only 5 cents of his work into every single part. Add to that the fact that people in motorsport development are generally more skilled and therefore more expensive than those in serial projects. Same law applies to all tools, buildings, energies etc. You need.
Another very important thing is that for high volumes You can use much more effective ways of production like forged, cast or at best pressed parts instead of welded or machined ones etc.
Than You have materials. In motorsport use You must use better materials. Usually the curve showing dependence of quality and price is exponential which means that for material with 2x better properties You don't pay 2x more but way way more (it's not only because of the material itself but also because of the volumes in which such material is produced).
Now You buy the material. If You buy the same one for serial production and You take 10000 tons per year You sure pay way less per ton than if You buy 1 ton per year.
One example from my job (quite extreme since it's plastics but still). We have ordered a prototype part now which is milled from a block of plastic and than polished. The one part costs more than thousand Euro for one piece. In serial production the same part will be produced in hundreds thousand pieces per year using a mould. The price per one part is going to be less than one Euro for one!
I didn't see any video footage of the car during Deutschland rally. Dit anyone find any. What did it look like on the stages?
Looked boring on the stages indeed.
Another video by irally
http://www.irallylive.com/ir_vid.htm?00001722!
Pretty boring indeed.
Would be interessting to see a driver that dared to make some show, even as 00 car on asfalt. But even better to see it with a good RWD gravel driver!
To Mirek; of course I understand that a R3 rally car is more special than a non homologated cup car, but doubling the price is still a steep increase!
Maybe a cheaper cup car also for rally?
The problem with the cheaper cars is that they work only in those cups. Good example is 207 R3T or Abarth 500 R3T. Those were made for cups. They were cheaper but not competitive against the top dogs so aside of the cups almost nobody used them.
Do you know how many GT-86 has been sold by now?
I don't think any has been sold. According to http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/plany-...w-piatek,59340 homologation was postponed until July 1. The first customers may get the car in May. The first rally is going to be Rally Niedersachsen (July 4).
This video has been released a month ago: http://youtu.be/WEaBKR_RwsI
Very bad news from Germany. According to Autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/klopot...86-cs-r3,61000) the project of Toyota GT86 CS-R3 is postponed at least until October. Toyota Motorsport GmbH has some problem with steering. The HJS TMG CS-R3 Trophy, that was planned in German championship, was canceled.
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201...501_61000h.jpg
Something else i suppose is behind,so many months to solve a problem with steering???
I interpret that it’s a homologation problem, not a technical.
http://www.maxrally.com/2015/05/01/new-toyota-delayed
Reason for the delay, page 103
“It is reported that the homologation problem centres on finding a power steering unit suitable for competition use that is sourced from a mass production component, as required under FIA R3 rules.”
http://digital.motorsportmonday.com//launch.aspx?eid=8322bfbc-36f4-4754-8e04-96b6674d69ca
Tommi Makinen was driving something called Toyota GT86 WRC in Finland. Apparently it is a 4WD turbo-charged car, but I have no idea if it is some prototype version of Toyota GT86 R3. Check out the video below:
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/makine...gt86-wrc,62499
Jarek, the car was used already last year for taxi drives with Toyota leadership ;)
Have anyone been able to locate a powersteering that is usable for the R3 GT86?
@tmgofficial: https://twitter.com/tmgofficial/stat...851919360?s=09
Back on track!
Good, R3 by TMG and WRC by TMR
Possum Bourne Motorsport -Endurance Circuit / Targa tarmac rally prepared Subaru BRZ.
https://www.facebook.com/endurancebrz
Let there be joy! The RWD-Toyota finally received homologation :)
According to
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/toyota...ologacje,63888
the price starts at 84 000 € . Are you buying? ;)
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201...002_63888h.jpg
232 Hp? That's not much for NA R3 however the public numbers may be bullshit like in many cases (Škoda rallycars as a perfect example).
Paul Blomqvist (Son of Stig- WRC 1984) was on NZ tv this week driving a Toyota 86 (production track race car) as a driving try out for a sponsored drive in the NZ 86 series.
Who's gonna drive it..??
http://www.leredacteurauto.be/archiv...6-8508718.html Patrick Snijers will demonstrate the potential of this car in Rallye du Condroz (7-8 november), final round of the Belgian Rally Championship. There should be plenty more R3/R2/Gr.N/RWD cars to compare it against. :)
Great news! Go Patrick! :)
With this news I think I have finally decided to go :)
According to a friend Hermann Gassner jr. will drive one at 3-Städte Rallye.
Yes, entry list: http://ewrc-results.com/startlist.ph...te-Rallye-2015
Yes, he will but for the second time. Gassner Jr. was on Rallye Baden-Württemberg with GT86 R3 zero car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F3fTk3WEYQ
Superb, can't wait to see these on stages next year