The Ferrari employee was acting illegally to the detriment of Ferrari. Quite how Ferrari should then be punished for his actions is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
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The Ferrari employee was acting illegally to the detriment of Ferrari. Quite how Ferrari should then be punished for his actions is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
Actually he is correct, unless you believe that engineers have their memories wiped when they move from team to team.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The line between industrial espionage and simple job transfer is very VERY blurry. There does need to be some clarification regarding this. Remember this entire McLaren episode would have been perfectly legal if Nigel Stepney had simply changed employer at the start of this season.
But it doesn't mean that they used that data in their cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Yesterday everyone kept saying this and that without any proof. Fine, today you have proof that more than one person knew; but where is the proof that the data was actually used to give McLaren an advantage during the race?
I for one believe it innocent until proven guilty. Don't you?
Hell, doesn't anyone else who keeps bashing McLaren?
You call that a fact?!Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
I'll just ask you to check what means "illegal" than. :rolleyes:
I wonder if N Jones advocates prosecuting victims of crime because they "allowed it to happen".Quote:
Originally Posted by BeansBeansBeans
Of course you will take some knowledge with you. But you don't take documents and designs which are property of your old employer. Or at least you shouldn't ;)
I still don't understand why they, as central figures to the whole saga, were not at the hearing yesterday. Perhaps it has something to do with pending criminal investigations...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
And if he had left the 780 pages dossier at Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
They've been proven guilty............. no need to assume that they are innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by N. Jones
(First time post, though I've been doing the pickems for a while.)
It seems the McLaren drivers were lucky to avoid being punished, only because of Max's promise of immunity.
Of course, without this offer of immunity, then I'm guessing that Alonso, de la Rosa and Hamilton (although he still knew nothing) would have not submitted anything, and thus there would have been none of this damning evidence to show at the trial, and McLaren might well have received the same punishment as the first time again, as it seemed Ferrari's only new evidence was the sheer volume of messages between Stepney and Coughlan.Quote:
9.3 Exceptionally, because primary responsibility must rest with McLaren, in the interests of the sport and also because McLaren's drivers were offered immunity from individual sanction by the President of the FIA in his letter dated 30 August 2007, the WMSC does not consider that it is appropriate to impose any sanction on them individually or impose sanctions on McLaren which would affect these drivers' individual Championship standings. As such, both McLaren drivers will retain all the drivers' Championship points they have won so far in the 2007 season and will be permitted to win drivers' Championship points and attend the podium in the remaining races of the 2007 season.
As goes on in real courtrooms all the time (plea bargaining, isn't it?) Alonso and DLR admitted their part in the matter for a lesser sentence (in this case none), while helping to punish the McLaren team.
You can't really remove the knowledge from someone's head, its more their personal property in there, information they've learned on how things work, perfectly legitimately. If they took documents, they're team property, not personal, so that'd be punishable. Applying knowledge learned from another team that you kept in your head wouldn't be (and isn't) punishable. I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan H
Yeah, I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan