So this, in your mind, is what passes for 'history'?Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
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So this, in your mind, is what passes for 'history'?Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
The record also shows that Benetton were fined $500,000 for failing to obey the instructions of race officials; and that in addition to being disqualified for disobeying a black flag, Schumacher was banned for two races.
The record also shows that Benetton were fined $100,000 for failing to supply the source code for their electronic systems and that when they did supply it, it was found that their software included code that provided launch control. The team admitted the code was there but staed it had been disabled. The FIA then insisted that such code should be removed.
The record also shows that Benetton illegally removed a filter from the refuelling system to speed up refuelling.
"History" starts with the facts and extends into interpretation of the facts. It is not history to totally distort the facts and introduce conspiracy theories - that is fantasy.
Why did he get a black flag? He broke no written rule. they made the rule up on the spot, like some third world banana republic kangaroo court.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type
Read the reports.
Schumacher overtook Hill on the formation lap, which was against the written rules. Due to an incident there was a second formation lap - And he did it again!. According to the rules he should have been made to start at the back of the grid. As they had not done so, the organisers instructed Benetton he should have a 5 second stop-go penalty. Benetton ignored the instruction, hence the $500,000 fine. As the team were ignoring the instruction the organisers used the black flag. Schumacher ignored it for several laps. Hence his $25,000 fine, disqualification and 2-race ban. Incidentally the clerk of the course who failed to implement the "start at the back" rule had his F1 licence suspended for a year.
Source: Autosport Grand Prix Review 1994
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Originally Posted by D-Type
The contemporary rules had nothing mentioned about no overtaking, they specifically referred to being in the proper order when getting into the grid.
Schumacher didn't break the rules, further, they waited a half hour after the incident to issue to the stop and go, THAT what was "against the rules". So the stewards broke the rules, not schumacher. Benneton wasn't for sure if the stop/go was for the start of the race or not because of the massive time delay before the penalty, and then they black flagged schumacher, which he said he didn't see. Afterwards they straightened it all out and benneton agreed to do the stop/go penalty and be done with it. And that was supposed to be that. then, later, the FIA decided to turn it into an essential 3 race ban. The only people who broke any rules were the stewards. The only reason they did it is to slow down schumacher's utter domination of the season.
That's the REAL history.
you forgot "the end" in your arguement
That's better:Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
No intemperate language
No unsubstantiated wild allegations that the FIA conspired to "screw over" a driver
No accusing the motor racing press of writing fantasy
Can we move onto questions of fact. Are you sure about the regulations? The closest I can find is the 1997 FIA Sporting Regulations. Regulation No. 142 includes the text:
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When the green lights are illuminated, the cars will begin the formation lap with the pole po0sition driver leading. During this lappractice starts are forbidden and the formation must be kept as tight as possible.
Overtaking during the formation lap is only permitted if a car is delayed when leaving its grid position and cars behind cannot avoid passing it without unduly delaying the rest of the field. In this case drivers may only overtake to re-establish the original starting order.
Any driver who is delayed leaving the grid may not overtake another moving car if he was stationary after the remainder of the cars had crossed the line, and must start the race from the back of the grid. If more than one driver is affected, they must line up at the back of the grid in the order they left to complete the formation lap.
A time penalty will be imposed on any driver who, in the opinion of the Stewards, unnecessarily overtook another car during the formation lap."
How did the rules differ in 1994? Did the British GP have any race-specific regulations?
I don't think there is any dispute about the issue of a time penalty or the use and meaning of the black flag so I am not going to go to the trouble of typing them out.
Can I remind you that this thread is about questions of opinion - "What if some factual event had not occurred or occurred differently?" . There should be no need to question the basic facts.
How many times have you actually watched an f1 race? How many formation laps? How many times have you seen cars pull ahead of other cars? I've seen it dozens if not hundreds of time, and never once did anyone get a penalty -- except for schumacher.
The reason for what was essentially a 3 race ban was ignoring the black flag. Why was it when mansell did much worse for the initial black flag(driving in reverse down the pit lane) and was only excluded from 1 race. And after he continue to ignore the black flag, he crashed Senna out of the race! And he got ONE race ban?
They both ignored a black flag. Mansell goes on to crash Senna out of the race knowing his own race is already black flagged/dead. Net result? 1 race ban.
Schumacher ignores a black flag, stewards AGREE that there had been some miscomminucation and decided only give the original stop and go penalty, which schumacher takes during the race. 3 race ban.
This has no relevance to the subject matter of this thread. Would you care to start a fresh thread to discuss these issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by vhatever
Sure it does, as fate would have it the FIA is primarily run by greedy scammers, bigots, and morons. So save me the whole "but damon hill was sooo close to schumacher in 1994" nonsense as "fate/luck" was the only reason he was anywhere near him in the points to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Type