For once I agree with you. We've all seen what happens when an individual is given absolute power.
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For once I agree with you. We've all seen what happens when an individual is given absolute power.
yeah, just look at the moderators around here.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
I never ment to say that they were taken literally from the bible. Only influenced from there through common law. I thought I was fairly clear on that, perhaps not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
That line was a bit of a joke. Was the :D not clear enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Ah but there are absolute rights, and the Founder's experience was that an unbound government would/could seek to destroy those rights. Therefore they wrote a Constitution with enumerated powers. Some at the time said simply having enumerated powers would not stop the government from going beyond those. So they wrote a Bill of Rights with 12 (yes I said 12, only 10 were ratified) ways in which the government could not act to enfringe upon them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Honestly I think your heart is in the right place. You and I seem to be almost on the same wavelength. But you are missing it by thaat much (in my best Get Smart voice :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Riebe
Go back and read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Those documents DO NOT grant anyone any rights what-so-ever. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are charters of negative liberties. They say what the government may not do to us. Those documents do not say one thing about granting rights, as those rights were well established and understood by most.
What do you mean when you say absolute? To me that means that they are universal and inviolable and as such an American would give me the same description of what they are entitled to as an Egyptian or Chinese or anyone else on their planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
Absolute rights would apply to everyone at every time regardless of circumstances. There are no rights that fit this description. Just about every country and society around the world agrees that governments can deny people the right of free movement and even in some cases the right to life if they are found guilty of commiting certain crimes yet I'm sure you'd agree that the right to life is pretty important.
They are too restrained in the main.Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
They are mainly restrained in Spain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Due process of law can revoke certain rights under certain circumstances. This is the "social contract" that gets spoken about so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
If rights can be revoked under any circumstances then clearly they aren't absolute.Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck34
I suspect most of the disagreements on this thread are centred around different interpretations of certain terms rather than any real differences!
In the pursuit of balance then, can I suggest you make me a Moderator :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark