DRS zones on all the 2013 tracks.

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Originally Posted by Matthew

It was/is not usually exciting when the pursuing car can never get close enough to attempt a pass, regardless of what the car is.



Case in point: This was the closest race of last year but also one of the least exciting.

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I would rather see a gaggle to 5 cars battling, than 5 cars with the fastest first, second fastest second. etc. all race jus spreading out.

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

I wonder what Ayrton Senna would have thought of DRS.

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Luckily that useless ******* is dead. :p

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

Overall I don't mind DRS because the way I see it, it is simply restoring slipstreaming and overtaking to how it was in earlier decades. For too long it has been artifically hard to pass due to the so-called dirty air etc. Before that, my understanding is that cars could slipstream past another car. I'm not aware of anyone complaining about that and saying it's fake and too easy.

So as I see it, all DRS does is restore things to the way they were before, kind of.

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Exactly so. :up:

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

But it's not ideal at all; for me it's an uneasy compromise. Like 2 wrongs not making a right, countering an artificial difficulty in passing with an artifical passing aid doesn't seem the perfect solution, but I suppose it's ok. Besides, I'm just grateful that traction control is GONE.

I also think DRS is pretty convoluted and not relevant to road cars etc. That's why I DO like KERS instead. I think KERS should remain but maybe DRS can go. I actually quite like the DRS in the Codemasters game though.

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A fine ending to an altogether excellent post, rjbetty. :up: Even though I don't agree with it. :p

Maybe I should add that I was kidding about Senna? :) Not everybody knows perhaps that I was a huge fan. :)

I wouldn't mind it as much if it was availiable all around the circuits for both drivers, then it becomes like KERs.

The defending driver could use it to defend, but I am assuming it wouldn't cancel out completely the following drivers DRS as the slipstream effect and DRS would still be better than clean air DRS.

It might not work that way in which case I would just get rid of it.

I am leaning toward saying I don't like DRS. It reduced the occurrences of close racing, which was extremely demanding of drivers skill. Instead, the races have become more "analytical", with tire and pit stop strategy becoming a lot more important. The "defense" now consists in driving as fast as possible in clear air to stay more than a second ahead. Once this 1 second advantage is lost, it's game over.

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Originally Posted by zako85

I am leaning toward saying I don't like DRS. It reduced the occurrences of close racing, which was extremely demanding of drivers skill. Instead, the races have become more "analytical", with tire and pit stop strategy becoming a lot more important. The "defense" now consists in driving as fast as possible in clear air to stay more than a second ahead. Once this 1 second advantage is lost, it's game over.

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Exactly my view.

We dont get racing now as much as delta times and easy passing. (not everytime, but more than before)

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Originally Posted by rjbetty

Overall I don't mind DRS because the way I see it, it is simply restoring slipstreaming and overtaking to how it was in earlier decades. For too long it has been artifically hard to pass due to the so-called dirty air etc. Before that, my understanding is that cars could slipstream past another car. I'm not aware of anyone complaining about that and saying it's fake and too easy.

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Looks too artificial. It's like taking candy from a baby. Even Lewis overtaking Vettel in Texas with its epic build up ended up a bit anti-climatic because he breezed by like a company car driver in 320d.

The best overtakes involves that wheel to wheel tussle and it has been doable away from the DRS zones.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Looks too artificial. It's like taking candy from a baby. Even Lewis overtaking Vettel in Texas with its epic build up ended up a bit anti-climatic because he breezed by like a company car driver in 320d.

The best overtakes involves that wheel to wheel tussle and it has been doable away from the DRS zones.

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Thats what I dont understand.

Look at Overtaking in F1. Its a long time since its been as "simple" as it is now. People seem to want quantity of overtakes over quality.

I would take a race full of battles with 5 passes, over a GP with 30 DRS passes that prove nothing much and leave me cold. Just because there is overtaking doesnt mean its brilliant.

Look at a pass like. (just off the top of my head)

Montoya on Schumacher Brazil 2001. Montoya sideways all locked up
Hakkinen on Schumacher Belgium 2000 eitherside of Zonta
Barrichello passing the field in Hockenheim 2000 or Britain 2003
Alonso around 130R on the outside of Schumi

All these and other epic overtakes had you on the edge of your seat, as you saw the two drivers move around in the braking zone , lock wheels and need a new piece of underwear.

Contrast with many DRS passes along the straight way before the corner. Not really that interesting to me.

People also use the "Well he can pass him back next lap" arguement, but we all know that really if a car is close enough to pass he is likely to be faster so just breezes off and instead of an epic battle for the lead which you might enjoy for 20 laps before an epic pass, you get the faster car fly past after 1 or 2 laps.

The faster car may "deserve" to be ahead, but its sure as hell wont be remembered as an epic.


Final point is the art of defensive driving. Some of the best drivers are defensive ones.

One example of probably many. Think back to the first 10 laps of the Austrian GP in 2001. Montoya and his Michelen tyres were in the "graining faze" as it was known. He was 2 or 3 seconds off the pace and had Schumacher, Barrichello, Coulthard, Raikkonen & Verstappen in a light Arrows nose to tail. 10 laps in which he defended for his life and saw side by side, nose bumping action for 10 laps with Verstappen passing the Sauber, Mclaren and hustling the Ferraris.

All of that in 10 laps due to defensive driving. One of the most exciting battles for a while back then albeit forgotten by many. If that was today all the cars behind would breeze past, the Ferraris would have pulled away and excitement over.

Address the problem rather than come up with some gimmicky solution.

Cars slipstreaming is even and a natural occurance of racing, not like a system thought up of spice up "the show"

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Address the problem rather than come up with some gimmicky solution.

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The problem is simply wings. Do you think they should be removed?

Here is the battle I talked about. Albeit only the final 3 laps of it before it ended in tears. DRS would have seen them all pass Montoya before it got to this point and the field would have spread out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmerS6jr9v8