I didn't like the booing of Vettel on the podium. Yes he's not a Ferrari driver but he can't help winning. Felt a bit sorry for the poor fella.
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I didn't like the booing of Vettel on the podium. Yes he's not a Ferrari driver but he can't help winning. Felt a bit sorry for the poor fella.
John Surtees didn't look too impressed with it either did he.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
The booing at Monza is nothing new. The crowd there even boos Italian drivers that aren't racing with Ferrari - ask Ricardo Patrese about his Brabham days. That you were dealing with a bunch of drunken retards was pretty much obvious the moment they didn't really get a clue, who the really old chap on the rostrum was. True tifosi would never have ignored the 'calm down' gesture from a man, who won a world title in a Ferrari.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
The thing that worries me more is the constant barrage of hate Vettel's been subjected to this year. Canada, Silverstone, Spa, now Monza. Not even Schumacher or Senna ever got so much persistent hate and those were two guys, who had a habit of running into the competition on purpose to decide title fights. I often hear Malaysia coming up as an excuse, but that's just ridiculous, People have a pretty selective memory, else they would know that Mark was the initial offender in that saga (Silverstone '11). Nobody boos Webber and nobody should be.
Vettel has one big problem. He dominates at a time, when there are 3 other great champions are in the mix (ALO,HAM,RAI) - that's three large fanbases perpetually frustrated while Schumacher in his time was the one with the largest fanbase to begin with. That however does not mean that people should abandon their manners. Booing during the winners ceremony, especially when the anthems are played is ridiculously classless.
As a Tifoso, I am disappointed that Vettel was not acknowledged with the respect he deserves.
Unfortunately, the Tifosi sometimes can be, in some sections, unsporting.
If anything can be taken as a positive from it, it is that it is clear that the allegations of racism aimed at the Tifosi for booing Hamilton last year were despicable slander, since the last time I checked Vettel was white.
The truth is that, at Monza, nobody is liked except whoever is in the cockpit of the Scarlet cars.
That does not excuse ungracious actions. It does supply a context. I don't know why Vettel is booed elsewhere though. Italy is not alone with having some ungracious, unsporting and unpleasant fans, evidently.
This could have been a forgettable race if Ferrari drivers didn't fight so aggressively. I was surprised at the lack of pace of Lotus and Mercedes.
Aren't you exaggerating a bit? ;) I remember Alonso's brilliant path on Webber, but that's as far as the fighting went. The rest was just typical Fernando squeezing every ounce from the car as far as the tyres allowed. Webber never looked like seriously challenging Fernando, especially once his gearbox started to get wonky and Felipe was rather mediocre like always, just a few positions further upfront from where he is mediocre usually, since Lewis and Kimi had taken themselves out of the equation on saturday and their early troubles in the race.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Mind you, still a good drive by 'nando, but aggressive fighting? Don't think so.
Well yes, the race wasn't breathtaking, but there was still hope until about lap 45 or so that maybe Alonso could catch Vettel, specially since he had fresher tires (by a few laps). Alonso was charging like a locomotive and be the end of race, reduced his 12 second deficit down to like 5, but then he simply run out of laps and time. He gave everything. Massa wasn't bad this weekend at all. He beat Alonso in qualis, jumped from fourth to second position on the start, and then, like a good teammate, gave up his position to Alonso some time later in the race. He finished fourth just about three seconds behind Webber, who drove the same car that in Vettel's hands ended like fives seconds ahead of Alonso. Truth be told, if Massa drove like this all the time, there wouldn't be a speculation regarding who gets Ferrari's second seat next year.
I didn’t care for it either, what a bunch of hyenas. However I can't feel sorry for any of the drivers in F1 unless they get hurt physically. They have life too dicked to get my sympathy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
I thought at one point they said that only Kimi is matching Vettel's time. That would indicate awesome pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by zako85
Also Hamilton made 9 overtakes, so that looked pretty impressive as well. Kinda tough to make much happen from so far back, but pace was def not their issue.
I think lap times were a bit misleading though. Both Kimi and Lewis ran two-stoppers, while Webber and Vettel had to driver rather catholic. Vettel ruined his fronjt tyre with the lockup into T1, so basically his whole first stint was trying not to have the fillings rattled out of his teeth. Both Kimi and Lewis had shorter final stints than the rest of the field, so they could push flat-out while the opposition had to nurse the tyres (and both RB's wonky gearboxes) home. Front-running cars dropping back into the field through unscheduled pit stops always animates the field, but the times can be a bit misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
Dr. James Beck did a good extrapolation of the real pace of the respective drivers: TJ13: Italian GP Race Notes