11th Jul 12, 07:15 #21
11th Jul 12, 09:16 #221990 BTCC-CHAMPION w/ 207 points and 9 race wins
1997 BTCC-Total Cup for Privateer's CHAMPION
11th Jul 12, 21:20 #23
Even though I do not use drugs myself, I do have a rather libertarian view toward drugs and other issues dealing with personal choice. But don't think that I'm am light on drug use among those who can put the lives of others at risk (even and especially drugs that are prescribed... which are actually the source of abuse that many/most people won't/can't recognize). But I also recognize hypocrisy (not by you, but in general). While we can get up in arms about A.J. Allmendinger losing the privilege of driving a race car in a NASCAR sanctioned series for the rest of his life, funny thing is, once he gets this decision, he can still go out, get in his car and drive on the highway amongst all the soccer moms and prom queens that occupy the public highways. Also, not that long ago, a "nice young man" by the name of J.C. France had a night of fun and revelry doing coke and doing a bit of "Clockwork Orange" street racing with his Lambo near Daytona, FL. He got caught by a cop. He got arrested. They found the coke. I'll let J.C. tell you the rest of the story. You can find him (still) at any NASCAR sanctioned Grand Am race. So would it be OK if A.J. raced in Grand Am if his Sprint Cup gig dries up, or would he have to change his name to France? Well, if that doesn't work out, I guess he could always get a CDL and drive a big rig on U.S. highways at some point."Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience." --John Kenneth Galbraith
11th Jul 12, 23:00 #24
We now know it was s 'stimulant' that registered just over the allowable threshold.
We await the results of the 'B' sample test.The secret to winning races: More Throttle, Less Brake.
13th Jul 12, 20:27 #25
IIRC in Indy car, driving under the influence (a drug policy) has been an issue longer than it has been in NASCAR. NASCAR had it's regular drug users too in the 80's.
Pretty much the same way NASCAR dragged it's feet about mandating safety features in it's race cars and making safety equipment mandatory for it's drivers.The secret to winning races: More Throttle, Less Brake.
15th Jul 12, 13:27 #26
NASCAR = 2002
Formula 1 = 2003
I think NHRA beat them all to the punch - but not sure.....
I think it is bit unfair to criticize NASCAR for dragging their feet as much as many of us do (they are a big organization who tend to be very deliberate about any changes- - for better or worse) - but it is equally unwise to think they are a leader in any sort of innovation.
15th Jul 12, 18:53 #27
Also according to wikipedia, you're a bit off on CART and NASCAR.
Using that information, CART made the device compulsory for oval tracks in 2001, later requiring the HANS devices for all circuits. Starting in October, 2001, NASCAR mandated either the HANS or Hutchens device head and neck restraint be used, going with the HANS device exclusively starting in 2005.
16th Jul 12, 03:27 #28
Don't know about the IRL. I saw the Wikipedia article too but it seemed kinda wonky - so I did some more digging - my years were from an article by Dr. Bob Hubbard - one of the developers of HANS...... It is possible that CART started USING them in 2001 after mandating them in the 2000 off-season.... NASCAR was specifically late 2002 so think it was towards the end of the 2002 season they were made mandatory. NASCAR did APPROVE the HANS and Hutchins devices for use soon after Earnhardt's death - I not sure the drivers were allowed to race with them before that...
16th Jul 12, 11:58 #29
I re-read the article I was reading:The History Of The HANS Device As Told By Dr. Bob Hubbard » Catchfence - it looks consistent with what you said - first FULL season for NASCAR was 2002 - I thought it was "late" in 2002 but looking again , it doesn't say that specifically - it infers it - obviously the author meant late the previous season(2001)..... he seems to have the same basic issue with CART -but there he states it was approved in 2000 but infers the first full season was 2001....
either way, NASCAR was not the first to mandate it...
My apologies for the mistakes - it is interesting that such a groundbreaking thing is really not covered very well (or apparently, very accurately) by multiple sources (for example, the SI articles gets Hubbard's name wrong, different sources list different dates, the is NO information on the IRL and HANS, multiple places seem to confuse "approving" with "mandating"...)
I know you are a strong supporter of NASCAR and I was in no way trying to "dis" NASCAR - just dig up the facts.....
17th Jul 12, 00:41 #30
Nascar approved the HANS and the Hutchinson devices for use by it's drivers in 2001, but didn't mandate their use until 2002.The secret to winning races: More Throttle, Less Brake.
17th Jul 12, 12:51 #31
17th Jul 12, 13:09 #32
Steve Olvey's (CART Medical director) book has very good info on the issue of racing safety and is a hell of a read.Kyle Busch #18 M&M's Toyota Camry
Dario Franchitti #10 Target Honda Dallara DW12
17th Jul 12, 15:32 #33
17th Jul 12, 15:39 #34
NASCAR.com - Competitors voice support for NASCAR mandate - October 17, 2001
Here is a NASCAR article with the exact timeline, circumstances of the HANS/Hutchens mandate. it was mandatory from October 17, 2001 on.....
18th Jul 12, 05:21 #35
My goodness Lee Roy, Chris posted a link to a series of articles from 2000 that were written in response to the recent deaths of Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, and Tony Roper. While you may not have a high opinion of the website that originally posted the article, it does not mean that everything on there is without merit.
Chris admitted his error of fact from earlier in the thread and is trying to have a conversation, so he posted articles written from the time the debate was going on.?
Would you not think that if someone responded to you in the manner you responded to Chris, that that person was acting like a jerk?¿Quién es el que anda aquí?
23rd Jul 12, 03:03 #36
Getting back on topic, someone above said AJ was split from his wife, which may have him a little lost and maybe he did do something he shouldn't have. I am hoping it isn't that, and his wife Lynn is a semi local gal, I am sad to hear about her leaving him.
He will get a second chance if he does his Mea culpa's and is honest about how the drug got there. I get the feeling however he is claiming it is something like an energy/vitamin cocktail that did this, since it was a stimulant. I get the impression this isn't a Jeremy Mayfield thing, and there could actually be a rational explaination."Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
25th Jul 12, 05:17 #37
B-sample tested positive!
AJ Allmendinger indefinitely suspended by NASCAR after B sample test | From the Marbles - Yahoo! Sportsracing-reference.info/showblog?id=1580
25th Jul 12, 06:20 #38
There go's his career...Kyle Busch #18 M&M's Toyota Camry
Dario Franchitti #10 Target Honda Dallara DW12
1st Aug 12, 17:10 #39
Allmendinger released by PenskePenske Racing announced today that AJ Allmendinger has been released as driver of the No. 22 Dodge Charger in the NASCAR Cup Series. Allmendinger was suspended indefinitely by NASCAR last week for a positive drug test
2nd Aug 12, 17:04 #40
"There go's his career... "
Yes, unless he really did fail by a tiny fraction and it can be shown it was an unintentional consequence from an energy drink or some type of legitimate supplement.
As such, I don't understand why he doesn't just disclose what the "stimulant" was, what the exact amount was that showed up on the test, and his theory about where it came from.