Detriot Belle Isle Race Thread

**FIAT1** · 4th Jun 12, 00:12

Josef is the man,what a pass on JR and Andretti..

**garyshell** · 4th Jun 12, 00:12

"you not have the proper plugin to view this video" from my android phone .

**FIAT1** · 4th Jun 12, 00:18

Congrats to Dixon, and for the race ?One to talk obout.

**MAX_THRUST** · 4th Jun 12, 00:21

Night guys off to bed before the missus gets stressed with me.

**nigelred5** · 4th Jun 12, 00:33

What a cluster#u€# of a race.

**jarrambide** · 4th Jun 12, 00:38

Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

These side by side restarts just aren't working, cut costs by stopping side by side restarts

I hate train restarts, no real excitement, I love side by side restarts, I expect professional drivers to handle side by side under normal conditions.

**jarrambide** · 4th Jun 12, 00:41

Originally Posted by nigelred5

What a cluster#u€# of a race.

The biggest problem was how many viewers that are not hard core fans switched channels, 2 and 1/2 hours under red flag plus a switch to ESPN News for both sides of the country at different times pretty much made it unwatchable for anyone who is not in love with AOWR.

**00steven** · 4th Jun 12, 00:46

What ashame after such a good 500. There goes the momentem. I respect Roger for trying but we should be at MIS rather than Belle Isle.

**SoCalPVguy** · 4th Jun 12, 00:56

POS race for a POS track in a POS town on a POS television situation.

Track is crap both in design and condition, one passing place, a crappy surface that degrades into un-raceableness. ( my new word of the day).

Boring race, pole to finish. Dixon's good but not that good.

Indescribably bad television situation, made worse by delays and an all day marathon over several channels. If the ratings is 0.0001 I would be surprised. TG's bad TV contract will kill off Indy car long before Randy B does.

Detroit is a hell hole with bad weather, bad neighborhoods, high crime.. If it wasn't for American Jewelry and Loan pawn shop the whole damn town should be bulldozed over like the empty slums around that area.

Any good will from an exciting Indy 500 is gone, gone, gonzo !!!

Roger Penske should be ashamed of foisting this debacle on us .. no wait - he made money on it.

Randy B- Take my advice if you truly want to improve Indy Car: Do not ever race at Belle Isle again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**FIAT1** · 4th Jun 12, 01:13

I don't remember and don't understand why they did not go to old schedule and tradition to have Milwaukee after Indy.

**anthonyvop** · 4th Jun 12, 02:35

Originally Posted by FIAT1

I don't remember and don't understand why they did not go to old schedule and tradition to have Milwaukee after Indy.

Because Tradition and Milwaukee have been the type of scheduling what has been killing the series for years. The only reason it is back on the schedule is because some people cannot grasp that tradition doesn't sell when it comes to IndyCar. If it did, there wouldn't have been thousands of empty seats at Indy Last week and miserable TV numbers.

Tradition doesn't sell in NASCAR or F1 or ALMS or the WRC.

BTW. The disaster that was this race in Detroit had nothing to do with the date.

Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy

Randy B- Take my advice if you truly want to improve Indy Car: Do not ever race at Belle Isle again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The race was a sell out so expect it back on the schedule if the Captain wants it.

**call_me_andrew** · 4th Jun 12, 02:40

That was... awful.

**garyshell** · 4th Jun 12, 02:47

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Tradition doesn't sell in NASCAR or F1 or ALMS or the WRC

Three words:formula one Monaco.

Gary

**SoCalPVguy** · 4th Jun 12, 02:50

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The race was a sell out so expect it back on the schedule if the Captain wants it.

There are sell outs and there are sell outs, True, all 30,000 grandstand seats were sold. But 30K that's NOBODY. Heck even Milwaukee can sell out, if it cuts back to 10,000 seats. calling this a sell out is a joke. I remember when races like this got 100,000 on race day. College football draws 100K per stadiums around the country week in and week out. LOL on you for calling this a sell out.. The 500 had about 400K on site and it was not a sell out so you insult my intelligence by crowing that Detroit's measly 30K (7-1/2 percent of Indy) was successful because it "sold out "? I stand by my statement this was a POS event all round. Yeah the Captain made money but it is more evidence that the owners should never run a racing series again !

**anthonyvop** · 4th Jun 12, 02:51

Originally Posted by garyshell

Three words:formula one Monaco.

Gary

Glitz($$$$) and Glamor($$$$$) scheduled the same week as the Canne Film Festival ($$$$$). Take those away and pooof! It's gone.

**anthonyvop** · 4th Jun 12, 02:53

Originally Posted by SoCalPVguy

There are sell outs and there are sell outs, True, all 30,000 grandstand seats were sold. But 30K that's NOBODY. Heck even Milwaukee can sell out, if it cuts back to 10,000 seats. calling this a sell out is a joke. I remember when races like this got 100,000 on race day. College football draws 100K per stadiums around the country week in and week out. LOL on you for calling this a sell out.. The 500 had about 400K on site and it was not a sell out so you insult my intelligence by crowing that Detroit's measly 30K (7-1/2 percent of Indy) was successful because it "sold out "? I stand by my statement this was a POS event all round.

While 30K isn't a number to be excited about you can be quite sure the Roger Penske made sure it was enough to make money if he sold enough signage and sponsorship. If Roger Penske made money on this race you can be damn sure it will be back next season.

**jarrambide** · 4th Jun 12, 03:05

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Glitz($$$$) and Glamor($$$$$) scheduled the same week as the Canne Film Festival ($$$$$). Take those away and pooof! It's gone.

Glitz and Glamour are synonymous with Monaco, a huge part of that glamour Monaco has is due to the Grand Prix de Monaco, which by the way, is older than F1 by about 20 years, you take the Grand Prix away, you take a big chunck of the glamour Monaco has, F1 needs Monaco because they need that tradition, Monaco needs the F1 because they need that tradition.

Have you been to Monaco?, I have and I can tell you the racing is horrible, I would not cry a single tear if that race goes away, but most hard core fans I have talked to love that race because of its history, drivers seem to covet a first place there because of the history, believe me, it is all about tradition.

**jimispeed** · 4th Jun 12, 03:38

This was a great track when the cars had extra hp boost for push to pass. But without it, it's just a parade. Most of the race everyone was stuck behind Viso with no power to pass him!

**SarahFan** · 4th Jun 12, 04:35

Sell out?

Didn't look like a sell out

**nigelred5** · 4th Jun 12, 04:50

If RP made money it's because they spent about $100 on the racing surface. They should have patched concrete with ooooh I dunnno, maybe Concrete??? The first time. I've seen tracks break up before, but that was just inexcusable.