Thread: The DeltaWing lives

Originally Posted by beachbum

Gee, you think they would have invested in a proper video camera. Not exactly thrilling, but it does at least move. I don't think any one suggested it wouldn't turn at all, but the question is - at what speed? Testing should be interesting.

you would've thought Highcroft has enough money to have a GoPro.

Seriously?

A crappy 17-second video of a dildo on wheels, and going around a turn at 50 mph is supposed to convince me that this car will do well at LeMans. Git outta hea!

Some people dare to dream to build something inovative and better and some lay on the beach with dark shades singing kumbaya wondering what happened.

Originally Posted by harvick#1

you would've thought Highcroft has enough money to have a GoPro.

Well, considering it's the only video posted to an account named TheRaceBird and Highcroft, AAR and Delta wing all have theirown youtube accounts, I suspect that is a video taken by someone at the track before someone with the team saw them and asked them to stop taking videos of the car on track....

Yeah It turned good at 35-Mph still you can hear tire squeal in the video... Good luck at high speed le mans track

Originally Posted by FIAT1

Some people dare to dream to build something inovative and better and some lay on the beach with dark shades singing kumbaya wondering what happened.

Some of us have spend long hours in garages getting our hands dirty building race equipment. Some of us even have engineering degrees.

Innovation is fine - if it works and is better than the current best solutions to the question. As for the Delta Wing, I have serious doubts. Even the best engineers sometimes go off the rails and down the rabbit hole.

Originally Posted by nigelred5

Well, considering it's the only video posted to an account named TheRaceBird and Highcroft, AAR and Delta wing all have theirown youtube accounts, I suspect that is a video taken by someone at the track before someone with the team saw them and asked them to stop taking videos of the car on track....

Totally agree. The footage was likely unauthorized. You can bet they had cameras on the car but don't want to share the information just yet and I don't blame them. Big money invested so they need to protect that.

Originally Posted by beachbum

Some of us have spend long hours in garages getting our hands dirty building race equipment. Some of us even have engineering degrees.

Innovation is fine - if it works and is better than the current best solutions to the question. As for the Delta Wing, I have serious doubts. Even the best engineers sometimes go off the rails and down the rabbit hole.

Serious doubts based on 5 sec video of first outing without braking sound barrier. Okey dokey...

There was some tire squealing but also intake, turbo and gearbox I heard as well. I can't see how there won't be some tire howling from those narrow front tires. With a good bit of steering coming from the differential, they are almost going along for a ride. Considering the layout of LeMans, ive assumed it will be relying on straighine speed and fuel efficiency and not corner speed in tight twisties to be even remotely competitive. This is really just a very elaborate proof of concept for their package IMHO.

Raise your hand if you expected to see 33 identical dildoes (dildos? dildii?) in this year's 500.

Originally Posted by garyshell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQOXiRU4orc

And some said it would never turn. Danny Gurney knows more about engineering than all the doubters here put together.

Gary

When we said "it won't turn", we meant "it won't generate enough lateral g's to be a competitive race car.". No one has any doubt that it will turn at touring speeds. I still have my doubts that its performance will be anywhere close to a conventional P2 or PC car. It has no apparent downforce, the front track is narrow, and the tires are small. Unless the differential is doing most of the turning, I still don't see it being at all competitive. The differential will have to be smart enough to turn the car under both braking and acceleration, and it's not at all obvious that it will produce much braking either.

Nissan to power Deltawing car. Some exibition laps before 12hrs of Sebring. Just some info for people who are interested.

Highcroft Racing - News - NISSAN DELTAWING IN-CAR*VIDEO

Oh no, it's turning. Again.

Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Raise your hand if you expected to see 33 identical dildoes (dildos? dildii?) in this year's 500.

No, just the one that's always there in the family box.....

Nissan to supply engine for DeltaWing Le Mans car - Le Mans news - AUTOSPORT.com

seems to work pretty well going on the footage in the video here, decent drivers signed up to race it, very interested to see the progress so far

Originally Posted by FIAT1

Highcroft Racing - News - NISSAN DELTAWING IN-CAR*VIDEO

Oh no, it's turning. Again.

It looks like that was Dario's brother at the wheel. Now that Nissan is willing to put its name and reputation on the line (and the car) I think we can pretty much put to rest the doubter's doubts.

Gary

Once again, I don't think anyone said it WOULDN'T turn. What I have said (and others) is that I don't know how well it will turn at competitive speeds. And my biggest concern is if it relies on the diff to do the majority of the turning (I don't know that for a fact, but that's what the internet seems to indicate, for what that's worth) is what sort of reliability will that diff have. Especially throughout a race where it is going to get extremely hot, endure very harsh vibrations, bounce over curbs, be subjected to gross overloads, etc., etc.

If it works (ie is competitive at LeMans, not just making laps) I will be the first to say I was wrong. As I have said all along, "Extrordinary claims, require extrordinary proof". An internet video unacompanied by times, driver comments, and engineering data just doesn't qualify as extrordinary proof, at least in my book.

Originally Posted by garyshell

It looks like that was Dario's brother at the wheel. Now that Nissan is willing to put its name and reputation on the line (and the car) I think we can pretty much put to rest the doubter's doubts.

Really? Nissan put its name to the Sunny GTiR rally car as well, and that was a disaster. I love the DeltaWing concept, but let's not jump to any conclusions before we've seen the car in proper action.

Originally Posted by chuck34

Once again, I don't think anyone said it WOULDN'T turn. What I have said (and others) is that I don't know how well it will turn at competitive speeds. And my biggest concern is if it relies on the diff to do the majority of the turning (I don't know that for a fact, but that's what the internet seems to indicate, for what that's worth) is what sort of reliability will that diff have. Especially throughout a race where it is going to get extremely hot, endure very harsh vibrations, bounce over curbs, be subjected to gross overloads, etc., etc.

If it works (ie is competitive at LeMans, not just making laps) I will be the first to say I was wrong. As I have said all along, "Extrordinary claims, require extrordinary proof". An internet video unacompanied by times, driver comments, and engineering data just doesn't qualify as extrordinary proof, at least in my book.

Most of us don't know how this car will perform. I know nothing obout this car at this point on what it should or not do, but that does not prevent me to aploud those who dare to dream and try something different. My opinion.