Motorsport Trivia

**Saint Devote** · 25th Feb 10, 00:20

Yes its Ross Brawn - Tyrrell :-]

Imagine that Mercedes linked to the wonderful Tyrrell team - lets see now if they can match the accomplishments of the great Uncle Ken as Mercedes.

Certainly Ross the boss is made of similar stuff.

My favorite Tyrrell is the 007. Photos have rarely done that car justice. Two favorite pictures of mine is one at Anderstorp 1974 where Jody and Patrick are leading 1-2 down the straight past the pits and, with Jody leady Lole in a great opposite lock oversteer through I think the old Jukskei Sweep at Kyalami. He was not known as "Sideways Scheckter" for nothing!

**D-Type** · 25th Feb 10, 01:10

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Correct but not grand prix racing - from the time the EDC ended in 1939 and changed to become the WDC in 1950.

Not so. It doesn't have to be a championship round to be a grand prix. There were grandes epreuves in 1947, 1948 and 1949

**Saint Devote** · 25th Feb 10, 01:39

Originally Posted by D-Type

Not so. It doesn't have to be a championship round to be a grand prix. There were grandes epreuves in 1947, 1948 and 1949

Which is why I said not grand prix racing but in connection with the EDC and WDC.

**Rollo** · 25th Feb 10, 02:04

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Which team has changed name and exists today but maintains the ORIGINAL company number?

McLaren.

McLaren Racing Ltd has the same company number as Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd, and was formed as a result of a merger with Ron Dennis's Project Four Racing Ltd and a subsequent takeover and buyout of the remaining shareholders of Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd.

Hence the reason why the cars carry the chassis designation MP4-25. McLaren Project 4 - 25 (not Marlboro Project 4 which stopped when the chassis designations changed from a slash to a dash).

**Saint Devote** · 25th Feb 10, 03:26

Originally Posted by Rollo

McLaren.

McLaren Racing Ltd has the same company number as Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd, and was formed as a result of a merger with Ron Dennis's Project Four Racing Ltd and a subsequent takeover and buyout of the remaining shareholders of Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd.

Hence the reason why the cars carry the chassis designation MP4-25. McLaren Project 4 - 25 (not Marlboro Project 4 which stopped when the chassis designations changed from a slash to a dash).

But the name did not change - the cars have always been Mclarens even when Teddy Mayer, Gordon Coppuck and Tyler Alexander no longer ran the team.

**Rollo** · 25th Feb 10, 05:07

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

But the name did not change - the cars have always been Mclarens even when Teddy Mayer, Gordon Coppuck and Tyler Alexander no longer ran the team.

Your question was:

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Which team has changed name and exists today but maintains the ORIGINAL company number?

And yes, the team name HAS changed.

1. Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd > 2.McLaren Racing Ltd and it trades as 3Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, which are three materially different names.

**DazzlaF1** · 25th Feb 10, 23:42

Originally Posted by Rollo

Your question was:

And yes, the team name HAS changed.

1. Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd > 2.McLaren Racing Ltd and it trades as 3Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, which are three materially different names.

It was called McLaren International when Ron Dennis came on board in 1981, and that i think is still what it is known as today.

Team Vodafone McLaren Mercedes is just corporate branding at work which does not use the company's real name, for example take Williams, their entry identity is AT&T Williams but the company itself is still known as Williams Grand Prix Engineering and that has'nt changed since Frank Williams re-formed his team back in 1977.

**Saint Devote** · 26th Feb 10, 01:41

A driver in the late 1970's barricaded himself in his hotel room and refused to come out and participate in grand prix practice until the team owner agreed to treat his mechanics better. Who is he?

In 1976, a certain driver after going off during practice, stood in front of his racing car in order to protect it. His name was?

In the 1980's a certain well known teams' mechanics refused to do any further work on the car of one of their drivers. They had already done work the equivalent of TWO grands prix and the race was yet to be run. This driver is known as?

**52Paddy** · 26th Feb 10, 17:37

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

A driver in the late 1970's barricaded himself in his hotel room and refused to come out and participate in grand prix practice until the team owner agreed to treat his mechanics better. Who is he?

In 1976, a certain driver after going off during practice, stood in front of his racing car in order to protect it. His name was?

In the 1980's a certain well known teams' mechanics refused to do any further work on the car of one of their drivers. They had already done work the equivalent of TWO grands prix and the race was yet to be run. This driver is known as?

1. Gunnar Nilsson (1977) or Jean-Pierre Jarier (1978)?

2. Harald Ertl?

3. Ivan Capelli?

**Saint Devote** · 27th Feb 10, 00:16

None of the above :-]

But there are two Italians and one Frenchman involved here.

**52Paddy** · 27th Feb 10, 01:13

I'm going to focus on question 2 at the moment.

I've narrowed it down, given that it's either a Frenchman or an Italian. And, it's possibly someone with little experience.

Going into 1976, both Renzo Zorzi and Michel Leclére had one previous start each. Alessandro Pesenti-Rossi had none, but he didn't arrive until later in the year, and he also had a good finishing record.

Given that Leclere entered more races, I'll go with him but I'm just trying to make educated guesses now. These are question you either know or you don't.

**Saint Devote** · 27th Feb 10, 04:02

Originally Posted by 52Paddy

I'm going to focus on question 2 at the moment.

I've narrowed it down, given that it's either a Frenchman or an Italian. And, it's possibly someone with little experience.

Going into 1976, both Renzo Zorzi and Michel Leclére had one previous start each. Alessandro Pesenti-Rossi had none, but he didn't arrive until later in the year, and he also had a good finishing record.

Given that Leclere entered more races, I'll go with him but I'm just trying to make educated guesses now. These are question you either know or you don't.

It is something one remembers from the time or not

The answer to Question 2 is Vittorio Brambilla.
He went off at Long Beach and worried that the other drivers would not take care he stood in front of his car thinking that they would be extra careful!

I think they stopped practice to retrieve the car.

I guess these days the late "Monza Gorilla" would have fined by the FIA. Drivers were allowed to be free in those days.

**Saint Devote** · 27th Feb 10, 04:06

Clue for Q1 is that it is a French driver.

Clue for Q3 - may give the driver away - the team is from Woking

:-]

**52Paddy** · 27th Feb 10, 14:09

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Clue for Q1 is that it is a French driver.

Clue for Q3 - may give the driver away - the team is from Woking

:-]

No idea about Q1 for the moment.

But Q3 I take it is McLaren. So would it be Andrea de Crasharis at the 1981 Dutch GP?

**Sonic** · 27th Feb 10, 16:03

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

A driver in the late 1970's barricaded himself in his hotel room and refused to come out and participate in grand prix practice until the team owner agreed to treat his mechanics better. Who is he?

In 1976, a certain driver after going off during practice, stood in front of his racing car in order to protect it. His name was?

In the 1980's a certain well known teams' mechanics refused to do any further work on the car of one of their drivers. They had already done work the equivalent of TWO grands prix and the race was yet to be run. This driver is known as?

Q1. Lauda?

Not sure about the others.

**Saint Devote** · 28th Feb 10, 00:37

Originally Posted by 52Paddy

No idea about Q1 for the moment.

But Q3 I take it is McLaren. So would it be Andrea de Crasharis at the 1981 Dutch GP?

Yes it was none other than Ron Dennis' first protege who he brought from Project 4 F3 into F1

Remember the Italian's cartwheeling the Ligier at the Osterreichring?

And when de Cesaris won pole position - the youngest ever pole position winner for over 12 years when Barrichello claimed his first, he burst into tears!!! Emotional fellow.

**Saint Devote** · 28th Feb 10, 00:50

Q1 is a French driver and he only ever drove for two teams, twice!. He has won grands prix.

Early in his career he astounded the grand prix circus in his first full year for one reason and cemented a decades long friendship with someone every fan admires and respects.

**Hawkmoon** · 28th Feb 10, 04:20

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Q1 is a French driver and he only ever drove for two teams, twice!. He has won grands prix.

Early in his career he astounded the grand prix circus in his first full year for one reason and cemented a decades long friendship with someone every fan admires and respects.

Jacques Lafitte?

**ShiftingGears** · 28th Feb 10, 05:07

Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

Jacques Lafitte?

This is what I suspected. Having just checked, it is Jacques Laffite - he only ever drove for Ligier and Williams.

**Saint Devote** · 28th Feb 10, 16:04

Yes :-]

One of my FAVORITE drivers - how could he have been anything else BUT a racing driver. Like Vittorio Brambilla!

I was at Brands that day when Laffite was injured at the start and Dr. Johnathan Palmer was the first on the scene.

It is a unique unhappy experience to actually be at a track when one of your favorite drivers are injured.

There was a wonderful interview in F1 racing with Laffite and his brother-in-law Jean-Pierre Jabouille several months ago.

What a golden time for French motor racing - and today there is not even a French Grand Prix. It makes me sad.