Thread: Rally History (part III)

Are you sure Jorge that Holmes mentioned on Carlsson in national category in 1979? In 1978 Ingvar Carlsson did Swedish Rally with BMW 320 also with Hasselberg and he had number 117 - there were 112 international starters, so probably it was a national category. Anybody can solve that problem?
Regards
Janusz

No, Janusz ! I didn't say that Holmes said that ! As I don't find him (Carlsson) in any entry list or any mention in driver's statistics that Holmes usually do and I saw that in the book of Renvoizé Carlsson appears as having participated and retired with transmission problems I try to look for one explanation. And one of possible explanations was that Carlsson could have participated only in the national category. Just one possibility ....
Where have You found that number 17 ?

Regards
Jorge

Sorry for misunderstanding about M. Holmes, Jorge. I checked a source of that No17. I got a list from a certain Christophe. It was not complete but there was about 100 crews on it. As I got some other list from that source, too and they were reliable I have no reason to blame it.
Regards
Janusz

Ok, Janusz !

17 it is !

Thanks
Jorge

And what about the reason of retirement of Carlsson in 1000 Lakes 1983 ? Does anyone knows ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
Jorge

Peace & Friendship Cup:
1972 1. Egon Culmbacher (DDR) Wartburg 353 W
2.-10. ???
1973 1. Jordan Toplodolski (BG) Renault 12 Gordini
2. Maciej Stawowiak (PL) Polski Fiat 125p
3. Egon Culmbacher (DDR) Wartburg 353 W
4. Dorin Motoc (RO) Renault 12 Gordini
5. Attila Ferjancz (H) Renault 12 Gordini
6. Ilja Czubrikov (BG) Renault 12 Gordini
7. ?
8. ?
9. Vladimir Bubnov (SU) Moskvich 412
10. ?
1974 1. Maciej Stawowiak (PL) Polski Fiat 125p
2. Jordan Toplodolski (BG) Renault 12 Gordini
3. Ilja Czubrikov (BG) Renault 12 Gordini
4.-10- ???
1975 1. Blazej Krupa (PL) Renault 17 Gordini (150)
2. Ilja Czubrikov (BG) Renault 12 Gordini (144)
3. Andrzej Jaroszewicz (PL) Fiat 124 Abarth Rallye (124)
4. Statis Brundza (SU) Moskvich 412 (80)
5. Anatolij Brum (SU) Moskvich 412 (78)
6. Kolio Czubrikov (BG) Renault 12 Gordini (60)
7. Jakov Agishev (SU) Moskvich 412 (59)
8. Attila Ferjancz (H) Alpine-Renault A110 (55)
9. Vlastimil Havel (CS) Škoda 120 S Rallye (48)
10. ?
1976 1. Ilja Czubrikov (BG) Renault 17 Gordini (90)
1. Blazej Krupa (PL) Renault 17 Gordini (90)
3. Svatopluk Kvaizar (CS) Škoda 130 RS (89)
4. Maciej Stawowiak (PL) Fiat 124 Abarth Rallye (84)
5. Andrzej Jaroszewicz (PL) Fiat 124 Abarth Rallye (?)
6.-10. ???
1977 1. Václav Blahna (CS) Škoda 130 RS
2. Georgi Petrov (BG) Vaz 21011
3. Leo Pavlík (CS) Škoda 130 RS
4. ?
5. Jakov Agishev (SU) Moskvich 2140 SL
6. Vlastimil Havel (CS) Škoda 130 RS
7.-8. ???
9. Sergej Vukovich (SU) Vaz 21011
10. ???
1978 1. Jiří Šedivý (CS) Škoda 130 RS
2. ???
3. Antonín Císař (CS) Škoda 130 RS
4.-10. ???
1979 1. Jan Trajbold (CS) Škoda 130 RS
2. Bogdan Wozowicz (PL) Vaz 21011
3. Georgi Petrov (BG) Vaz 21011
4.-6. ???
7. Václav Pech (CS) Škoda 130 RS
8.-10. ???
1980 1. Václav Blahna (CS) Škoda 130 RS
2. Jiří Šedivý (CS) Škoda 130 RS
3. Svatopluk Kvaizar (CS) Škoda 130 RS
4. Andrzej Radecki (PL) Polski Fiat 125p
5. Vello Yunpuu (SU) Vaz 21011
6. Nikolaj Bolshih (SU) Vaz 21011
7.-10. ???
1981 1. Jan Trajbold (CS) Škoda 130 RS (180)
2. Vello Yunpuu (SU) Vaz 21011 (179)
3. Attila Ferjancz (H) Renault 5 Turbo (165)
4. Maciej Stawowiak (PL) Polonez 2000 FSO (164)
5. Svatopluk Kvaizar (CS) Škoda 130 RS (150)
6. Georgi Petrov (BG) Vaz 21011 (142)
7. Nikolaj Bolshih (SU) Vaz 21011 (121)
8.-10. ???
1982 1. Vello Yunpuu (SU) Vaz 21011
2. Georgi Petrov (BG) Renault 5 Alpine
3. Tomasz Ciecierzynski (PL) Polonez 2000 FSO
4. Stoyan Kolev (BG) Renault 5 Alpine
5. Leo Pavlík (CS) Renault 5 Alpine
6. Zdeněk Pipota (CS) Škoda 130 RS
7.-10. ???
1983 1. Svatopluk Kvaizar (CS) Škoda 130 RS (230)
2. Bublewicz Marian (PL) Polonez 2000 FSO (204)
3. Soots Vallo (SU) Vaz 21011 (196)
4. Nedialkov Todor (BG) Vaz 21011 (153)
5. Tammeka Joel (SU) Vaz 21011 (140)
6. Polak Adam (PL) Polonez 2000 FSO (138)
7.-10. ???
1984 1. Andrzej Koper (PL) Renault 5 Alpine
2. Christov Slavczo (BG) Vaz 2105 VFTS
3. Pipota Zdeněk (CS) Škoda 120 LS
4. Trajbold Jan (CS) Škoda 120 LS
5.-10. ???
1985 1. Kvaizar Svatopluk (CS) Škoda 130 LR
2.-10. ???
1986 1. Soots Vallo (SU) Vaz 2105 VFTS (111)
2. Tumaljavichus Eugenius (SU) Vaz 2105 VFTS (89)
3. Janeba Pavel (CS) Škoda 130 LR (89)
4. Trajbold Jan (CS) Škoda 130 LR (84)
5. Bublewicz Marian (PL) Polonez 2000 FSO (74)
6.-10. ???
1987 1. Sibera Pavel (CS) Škoda 130 LR
2.-10. ???
1988 1. Sibera Pavel (CS) Škoda 130 LR
2. Tammeka Joel (SU) Vaz 2105 VFTS
3. Raissar Ilmar (SU) Vaz 2105 VFTS
4. Bolshih Nikolaj (SU) Vaz 2105 VFTS
5. Pipota Zdeněk (CS) Škoda 130 LR
6. Blahna Václav (CS) Vaz 2105 VFTS
7. Trajbold Jan (CS) Škoda 130 LR
8. Tumaljavichus Eugenius (SU) Vaz 2105 VFTS
9. Krügel Klaus-Dieter (DDR) Wartburg 353 W
10. Strauch Stefan (DDR) Wartburg 353 W
1989 1. Arazim Václav (CS) Škoda 130 L
2.-10. ???

I thought the "Peace and Frienship Cup" was a race meeting open to entrants from Warsaw Pact countries only. Was there also a "Peace and Frienship Cup" rally?

Originally Posted by jrally

I have a reference that Ingvar Carlsson participated in the Swedish Rally 1979 in a BMW 320i.

However I was never able to have sure if he participates or not. Martin Holmes never puts this participation on their books but it his referred in the book of Jean Paul Renvoizé where he retired with transmission problems.
Also, Holmes says that there was a national competition. Did he participated in that category ?

Anyone could help me with this mistery ? If he participated what start number did he had ?

Also about Ingvar Carlsson does anyone knows what was the reason of his retirement in 1000 Lakes 1983 ?

And to finnish does anyone knows what was his reg plate in 1977 and in Acropolis 1980 ?

Thank You in advance
Best regards
Jorge

Hello Jorge!

Ingvar Carlsson and his Co driver Roine Hasselberg, drove in the National class in the 1979 Swedish Rally. The class was called: Special.
And he retired early in the rally, dont know why or when.
In the yearbook Årets Bilsport from 1979, he finnished 4th overall in the Swedish Championship, class: Special. With his BMW 320.

The reg number on Carlsson´s BMW in 1977 was: GXO 297.

Regards: Volvo in Motorsport

Originally Posted by D-Type

I thought the "Peace and Frienship Cup" was a race meeting open to entrants from Warsaw Pact countries only. Was there also a "Peace and Frienship Cup" rally?

Yes, there was. To quote from an e-mail Janusz sent me on the subject (I hope you don't mind, Janusz): "It was held from 1967 but initially just as a national teams' competition. I never found rules for that early period and the only final result I know is that in 1967 Cup winner was DDR team and runner up was team of Poland. Since 1973 it was a cup for drivers as well as for national teams. It was restricted for citizens of Poland, Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Hungary, Chechoslovakia, Romania and DDR."

From the post by M.Carlo above, it seems there was an individual champion in 1972 as well. M.Carlo, can I ask you what your source is for that title?

Thanks

Source, that I do not know, maybe internet, maybe books, maybe it is just an unofficial winner among drivers. Sorry

Originally Posted by Volvo in Motorsport

Hello Jorge!

Ingvar Carlsson and his Co driver Roine Hasselberg, drove in the National class in the 1979 Swedish Rally. The class was called: Special.
And he retired early in the rally, dont know why or when.
In the yearbook Årets Bilsport from 1979, he finnished 4th overall in the Swedish Championship, class: Special. With his BMW 320.

The reg number on Carlsson´s BMW in 1977 was: GXO 297.

Regards: Volvo in Motorsport

Thank You very much for your help, Volvo in Motorsport!

Best regards
Jorge

Can I briefly interrupt the flow of statistical information. In the 50's and 60's the Safari scrutineers used a Tapley Meter to measure brake efficiency. Does anybody know if this device was used on other rallies?

My reason for asking is that Pat Moss lost 2nd place in the 1962 Safari because she collected a penalty for lack of brakes. She claimed she was unfamiliar with the test and messed it up. I've always wondered whether this was true or was it an early example of 'spin'.

Originally Posted by D-Type

Can I briefly interrupt the flow of statistical information. In the 50's and 60's the Safari scrutineers used a Tapley Meter to measure brake efficiency. Does anybody know if this device was used on other rallies?

My reason for asking is that Pat Moss lost 2nd place in the 1962 Safari because she collected a penalty for lack of brakes. She claimed she was unfamiliar with the test and messed it up. I've always wondered whether this was true or was it an early example of 'spin'.

What Stuart Turner wrote in his Pat Moss biography (Harnessing Horsepower) rings true. The Tapley "Performance Meter" (fitted to quite a few UK cars in the 50s as an aftermarket accessory, so probably on some rally cars but more the sort of thing that would have been fitted by competitors trying to win the Monte "Concourse" award, which seemed to score points for having all manner of gadgets of limited usefulness) was a kind of "G meter" (it was not connected to anything on the car). It therefore measured the sharpest "jerk" rather than overall braking efficiency. Not sure what the Saab braking technique was with the freewheel but Turner also writes that Erik Carlsson learnt from Pat's experience of the test and did it better.
I probably sent the gauge off the clock when I drove my father's Riley RMB into the end wall of the garage when many years below the official driving age...

Peace and Frienship Cup:
It was held as rally for individual drivers from 1972 (winner E. Culmbacher). Also it was held as formula race (from 1963), kart race (1966), touring car race (1973), motorcycle race (1978), enduro (1978), speedway (1979), trial (1983), autocross (1984) and motocross (1985).
Source: czech book "Století rychlosti"

Originally Posted by M.Carlo

Peace and Frienship Cup:
It was held as rally for individual drivers from 1972 (winner E. Culmbacher). Also it was held as formula race (from 1963), kart race (1966), touring car race (1973), motorcycle race (1978), enduro (1978), speedway (1979), trial (1983), autocross (1984) and motocross (1985).
Source: czech book "Století rychlosti"

Thank you for looking that up. I'll add Egon Culmbacher to the list of champions.

Hello,

I search entry list about Algarve Rallye 1977, 1978, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996,
Rota Do Sol 1991, 1992 , 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
San Miguel 1992
Açores 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005
Casino Povao 2004, 2005
Centro Portugal 2005

many thanks for your help

mlanders@orange.fr

I need help about some Belgian drivers/co-drivers that entered a Portuguese rally in 1987:

P. de Potter/F. Bruneau
Y. Vannevel/Paul Fraikin
D. Desmedt/Sandron Pierre
J. M. Fastenaekels/Demesmaeker
J. M. Fenfe/A. Delannoy
L. Derboven/E. Vanderzanden
P. Jacot/Marc Laval
J. Struycken/G. Vrijens
Patrick Caen/L. Pollet

Any idea about the first name of all this drivers and codrivers?

Thanks in advance!

Originally Posted by Sardalense

I need help about some Belgian drivers/co-drivers that entered a Portuguese rally in 1987:

P. de Potter/F. Bruneau
Y. Vannevel/Paul Fraikin
D. Desmedt/Sandron Pierre
J. M. Fastenaekels/Demesmaeker
J. M. Fenfe/A. Delannoy
L. Derboven/E. Vanderzanden
P. Jacot/Marc Laval
J. Struycken/G. Vrijens
Patrick Caen/L. Pollet

Any idea about the first name of all this drivers and codrivers?

Thanks in advance!

Aqui estão os que sei, João !

Peter de Potter/François Xavier Bruneau
Yves Vannevel/Paul Fraikin
Daniel Desmedt/Pierre Sandron
Jean Marie Fastenaekels/Nadine Demesmaeker
Jean Marc de Fenfe/André Delannoy
Luc Derboven/Eddie Vanderzanden
Patrick Jacot/Marc Laval
J. Struycken/G. Vrijens
Patrick Caen/Lorraine Pollet

Um abraço
Jorge