Thread: Goodbye Jacques, goodbye Juan, goodbye Michael...

What if MS will be an active part of the Ferrari F1 team? I suppose we'll be allowed to post about him like we do about any other Ferrari team member.
At least Juan is still competing.
So yep, bye bye Jacques!

ups I forgot to say, if you really want to criticize one of them, please do it in a "nice" way, let's not turn this into a fighting thread !

Thanks

Originally Posted by pino

ups I forgot to say, if you really want to criticize one of them, please do it in a "nice" way, let's not turn this into a fighting thread !

Thanks

Party pooper

Originally Posted by ioan

What if MS will be an active part of the Ferrari F1 team? I suppose we'll be allowed to post about him like we do about any other Ferrari team member.

When and if Michael will be part of Ferrari team, we can discuss him for his work, not for his past as F1 driver !

I'm not going to criticize anyone, but I have never felt sad after someone has left F1. Everyone has to leave sooner or later, it's just about time. And often drivers, who are leaving, have had a dissapointing end of career (Alesi, Häkkinen, Herbert, Frentzen, Panis, Hill, etc, etc) and therefore one might think that it was also right time to leave. Michael has been a rare example and left F1 whilst being at the top, but in his case also signs of 'age' could be noticed at the end of the career.

And after all I have to be ironic. Several people want to see new generation in F1 and want "olds" (GF, RB, DC, JT, RS, even NH) to leave as quickly as possible. And at the same time people are nostalgic about other drivers, who have already left and made room for new generation. This is a vast contradiction. I highly doubt that those previously mentioned 5-6 guys will be missed after they have left.

Schumi, you made the right choice. I'm sure everything that needs to be said has been said and will be said in the future, so cheers for pissing me off every monday morning.

JPM, you made the right choice. I will be paying more attention to NASCAR this year thanks to your involvement. Cheers for turning heads!

JV, you made the right choice. Although, you probably made it a few years too late. I hope you do well at your next motorsport venture, because if you do as well as your last 5 F1 years then you will be like watching slow death.

So here's to the best.

That is all.

Originally Posted by pino

When and if Michael will be part of Ferrari team, we can discuss him for his work, not for his past as F1 driver !

That's normal, I don't even see why the need to point that out!

Just for clarification:

If JV decided to go on another rant about current F1 drivers, managers, how the sport is run, are we not allowed to discuss what he has to say?

If the German GP decides to do something special to honour MS during the race weekend, do we only discuss that in the H&N forum?

If there is rumours about JPM being offered a seat at Torro Rosso again are we suppose to ignore them?

Goodbye JV and thanks for the new music

I use to post on another forum before this, and am not a big fan of the strictness of keeping certain topics in certain forums. Some great discussions on F1 are not in the F1 part, but in the history forum, and it restricts access to it, as not everyone checks that forum as regularly (I know I don't!). Same with Chit Chat, I was hoping for a good discussion on the road tax, but it was moved to the transport forum, and be fair, how many people bother to read that? Not as many as the Chit Chat forum I'm sure!

I think all you really need is a F1 and Non-F1 section rather than all these sections. Or maybe an F1, Other motorsport, and non-f1. Having a seperate forum for as many on this forum results in people only seeing a few topics.

Anyway, sorry for that little rant. Wrong place to post it I guess? (see my point!!).

I will miss MS. He was a great driver to watch, though I don't respect him as a sportsman, because sporting was not a word many would use to describe him, he was without doubt one of the greatest drivers in F1.

JPM was exciting to watch, honest, and I can't get over how F1 has just let him go. What a waste! He could have been great to watch in 2008 with the new regulations! Our loss is Nascar's gain, as his last race there is showing!

And I like JV, even though people seem to dislike the guy. He's a big character in F1, and not boring like all the new PR orientated drivers coming into F1 today. Even Lewis Hamilton, a great exciting player on track so far, but one of the most boring bland people to watch being interviewed! I hope he learns to show his personality more as he gains experieince in the F1 world. And I loved Alonso's new outspoken personality in recent months, and I hope his switch to McLaren doesn't change that, like it did to JPM! It would be a travesty!

Originally Posted by PSfan

Just for clarification:

If JV decided to go on another rant about current F1 drivers, managers, how the sport is run, are we not allowed to discuss what he has to say?

If the German GP decides to do something special to honour MS during the race weekend, do we only discuss that in the H&N forum?

If there is rumours about JPM being offered a seat at Torro Rosso again are we suppose to ignore them?

All this can be discussed in here, what cannot be discussed is them, as former F1 drivers. I hope I made my self clear

JPM: a great natural talent squandered because of a lack of application and an unwillingness to take F1 seriously.

JV: a decent talent squandered becuase you thought as a WDC the world owed you a living.

MS: flawed genius who re-wrote the history books and raised the benchmark for all who follow, but who will be remembered as much for the controversy as the championships.

They'll all be missed in their own way, but it's time to move on. Nothing to see here.....

Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

JPM: a great natural talent squandered because of a lack of application and an unwillingness to take F1 seriously.

Where do ppl get the impression JPM didn't apply himself properly to F1, or was unwilling to do so?

Head made a couple of comments in this debut season. But after that only positive noises came out from Williams, with both Head and Frank saying he was a true professional, on and off track, right till he left the team.

Ron Dennis went even further, and stated that after his injury in which he missed a couple of races, he's never seen a driver work harder physically and on the car side of things during his time in F1 - that includes many drivers like DC, Mika, Kimi, Prost, Senna etc! That was quite some comment. And he made this comment during only a couple of months before he sacked him when he found out he wasn't going to be in F1.

Just because he's laid back, a bit jokey, and outspoken, people seem to assume he doesn't care, or he lacks application as you say etc - that is completely untrue though.

Farewell JPM, JV and MS. You all brought a lot to the sport, but your time has passed. Onwards and upwards with the new generation.

Originally Posted by raphael123

Head made a couple of comments in this debut season. But after that only positive noises came out from Williams, with both Head and Frank saying he was a true professional, on and off track, right till he left the team.

Ron Dennis went even further, and stated that after his injury in which he missed a couple of races, he's never seen a driver work harder physically and on the car side of things during his time in F1 - that includes many drivers like DC, Mika, Kimi, Prost, Senna etc! That was quite some comment. And he made this comment during only a couple of months before he sacked him when he found out he wasn't going to be in F1.

Because Valve might still be holidaying in France I'll do it:

LINKs PLEASE!

No links available.

If you subscribe to the F1Racing magazines, just check back to last year with a big interview with Ron Dennis and you can see his comments. I don't know of any site which publish the articles in the magazine though.

The Head and Williams interview may be harder to find, as they were in the 2004 editions magazine, but unless you chuck them you should be able to find the interviews somewhere.

Hope that helps (unless you don't read read those magazines )

"no more discussions will be allowed about them in here" .

Well now , doesn't that sound like the final word ?

I will not post here if I am not allowed to relate actions of today with the past .
I am happy to be "moderated" but I will not tolerate this kind of statement from a moderator .

I am sorry , Pino , but I cannot comply .
Your blanket statement is not acceptable to me .

Originally Posted by Bagwan

"no more discussions will be allowed about them in here" .

Well now , doesn't that sound like the final word ?

I will not post here if I am not allowed to relate actions of today with the past .
I am happy to be "moderated" but I will not tolerate this kind of statement from a moderator .

I am sorry , Pino , but I cannot comply .
Your blanket statement is not acceptable to me .

Bagwan, you can still talk about Jacques (as driver) as much as you want...in the Nostalgia Forum, not in here. Sorry

pino

Bagwan
I'm guessing Mods want the never ending "but MS ram into JV which caused Montoya to kick JV in the head twenty years ago..." tirades to be discussed in the history section, since both these drivers and their actions are now F1 history. Quite franly, it's the right thing to do, the same bickering goes around in circles accomplishing nothing more than bans for idiots.