S2000 & Group N, The future of rallying? - Page 2

Sulland

Originally Posted by MJW
Why cant we have 2.5L N/A engines and 4 WD (like Andy Burton's home built Peugeot in UK) for those that dont know this car look hear http://www.peugeot-cosworth.co.uk/ or www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkasV_YVvTQ

Same concept as Colin McRae's project as well !

Not a bad idea the old champ had ??

HaCo

The cars of Trophee Andros sound cool too!

Sulland

Originally Posted by HaCo
Makes me think of '87... From Gr B to Gr A. Well, it wasn't that bad!

My point exactly, and if it changed for 09, we would have forgotten WRC by 2010 !

But the 168 000 € limit should be for a complete car for both gravel and asfalt, and not just one.

SubaruNorway

Originally Posted by HaCo
Makes me think of '87... From Gr B to Gr A. Well, it wasn't that bad!

Ok but you can't keep saying that forever, come on the S2000 can't even do a donut on tarmac. The wrc is already underpowered on tarmac.

Donney

I think the S2000 is a good idea, which havingsome time to evolve and develop will make for great cars and rallyes. I don't expect it to be the best from the word go, but it appeals to me.

Langdale Forest

Instead of having the WRC as S2000/Group N only, the WRC cars should be made more simple, like the original WRC cars by having no paddleshift for example.
That would make it cheaper.

MJW

I dont know about posting links here, especially as the publication is a UK newspaper but there is a very interesting "final interview" with Colin McRae in the Christmas Motorsport News. In it Colin gives the lowdown on what he feels about wrc cars - rewarding to drive but boring, how much money making and politics there is now in wrc, how technology is adding to the costs, the same routine for every round. Very interesting read! This is what prompted my post above about 2.5L normally aspirated engines, McRae said costs would be slashed as the engines would be powerfull enough without the need for expensive turbos' intercoolers, water injection sprays, a host of highly qualified laptop engineers to study terrabites of data etc, and mechanical gearboxes. He may have had a vested interest but CMcRae said then we will see who can drive.

MJW

Oh and he said they would sound right, McRae also said a JWRC S1600 is more exiciting to watch than a WRC car.

Brother John

Originally Posted by MJW
I dont know about posting links here, especially as the publication is a UK newspaper but there is a very interesting "final interview" with Colin McRae in the Christmas Motorsport News. In it Colin gives the lowdown on what he feels about wrc cars - rewarding to drive but boring, how much money making and politics there is now in wrc, how technology is adding to the costs, the same routine for every round. Very interesting read! This is what prompted my post above about 2.5L normally aspirated engines, McRae said costs would be slashed as the engines would be powerfull enough without the need for expensive turbos' intercoolers, water injection sprays, a host of highly qualified laptop engineers to study terrabites of data etc, and mechanical gearboxes. He may have had a vested interest but CMcRae said then we will see who can drive.

He (Collin) know what he was talking about.

Why do the F.I.A. need so much time to get what rally realy is? At last they see that the WRC Cars are too expensive and too fast! Why they wait soo long?

SubaruNorway

Originally Posted by MJW
Oh and he said they would sound right, McRae also said a JWRC S1600 is more exiciting to watch than a WRC car.

Don't belive you before you post the link

RS

S2000 plus turbo would be nice. S2000 cars slide more and look more agile than a WRCar, especially on gravel, and a turbo would give it a bit more kick out of slow tarmac corners.

1.6 turbo maybe the way to go?

As long as they ban the Focus WRCs special suspension. Yawwwwnnnn.

MJW

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
Don't belive you before you post the link

Dont know how to post as it is printed in a newspaper not in electronic media - short of scanning the page and posting I dont know, but I think he meant from a sound perspective. The exact words he used were "When you see a Super1600 car you would believe it was going quicker than the World Rally Car just because it sounds right". about the WRC cars he said "I think the WRC cars are brilliant to drive. They work so well and are so responsive and react to your input so well, but watching them they are boring and they look so slow". He also goes on to say that he was once standing next to Fabrizia Pons on one tarmac stage (of a wrc rally) and he asked her if something has happened as he thought they were driving the stage as a road section!

Brother John

Originally Posted by RS
S2000 plus turbo would be nice. S2000 cars slide more and look more agile than a WRCar, especially on gravel, and a turbo would give it a bit more kick out of slow tarmac corners.

1.6 turbo maybe the way to go?

As long as they ban the Focus WRCs special suspension. Yawwwwnnnn.

Reed all post, than you see that S2000+Turbo is not posible!!!!!

They have to change almost everything on the current S2000 cars!!!!

SubaruNorway

The only car that sounds lame these days is the Focus, almost so quite it's dangarous.

But i don't think we are going to see stuff like this by the S2000. Has anyone ever seen a S2000 jump by the way? without the rear wing and dampers there's no way we are going to se 50m jumps anymore.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4...fa00cfd828.htm

Brother John

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
The only car that sounds lame these days is the Focus, almost so quite it's dangarous.

But i don't think we are going to see stuff like this by the S2000. Has anyone ever seen a S2000 jump by the way?
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4...fa00cfd828.htm

S2000 cars have been made for national championships!!!! Take group N + less technical wrc cars with 2500cc and maybe also still the GT`s!
Driving art is rally, Hi technique is for F1!

SubaruNorway

Originally Posted by RS
S2000 plus turbo would be nice. S2000 cars slide more and look more agile than a WRCar, especially on gravel, and a turbo would give it a bit more kick out of slow tarmac corners.

1.6 turbo maybe the way to go?

As long as they ban the Focus WRCs special suspension. Yawwwwnnnn.

You can read the whole interview here http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/...exclusive.html

"It is good to have change and it is time for a change to try and attract people. Now I think we should make the minimum modifications to World Rally Cars. Some manufacturers' have just committed to making a World Rally Car, like Suzuki, and they are just coming into the sport and now they are being told maybe they are going to have to scrap their car."

Do they use that suspension anymore though? nothing special realy they just moved the mounting of the rollbar electricaly to lower ore raise the ridehight.

RS

Originally Posted by Brother John
Reed all post, than you see that S2000+Turbo is not posible!!!!!

They have to change almost everything on the current S2000 cars!!!!

I heard the interview with Loriaux. He has a point, but it is more about the strength of the parts rather than the technology.

I think he should be less worried about placating the current (4) manufacturers than trying to attract some new ones in.

Re:the Focus suspension, that sounds like it is bordering on active. Kudos for developing it but it looks ugly and it gives too much traction and grip and makes the handling of the car look boring. That coupled with the muffled sound makes it my least favourite WRCar by a long way.

Windsofwar

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
But i don't think we are going to see stuff like this by the S2000. Has anyone ever seen a S2000 jump by the way?

And if you seek around, there are some cool videos with Punto S2000 jumping around.

Wim_Impreza

Originally Posted by Corny
Been to Condroz 06 and 07? 2007 was far better!

No, the Condroz is too busy for me... But I have seen Loix with Polo, Tsjoen with Punto and Casier with 207. These cars are really boring for me.

AndyRAC

If S2000 means lots more manufacturers, then I'm all for it. At the moment the WRC is almost a Ford benefit ( not forgetting Citroen). I would prefer S2500, but it doesn't look as if this is possible. A competetive WRC is what we want, if S2000 gives us this then I won't complain.