Red Bull - Biggest cheats in F1

**ArrowsFA1** · 3rd Aug 12, 08:12

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

Regs stipulate that it be adjustable only with tools.

Define tools. Could it be the nut behind the wheel?

**kfzmeister** · 3rd Aug 12, 14:41

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Define tools. Could it be the nut behind the wheel?

Here's a picture of a definite tool! Helmut-Marko-300x224.jpg

**nigelred5** · 7th Aug 12, 13:25

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

Here's a picture of a definite tool! Helmut-Marko-300x224.jpg

lol.

**Garry Walker** · 7th Aug 12, 20:15

Originally Posted by F1boat

I am less familiar with teen idols than you and unfortunately can not say anything about the character of that singer.

He is a singer? I didn't know that. It appears you know quite a bit about teen idols, clearly more so than me.

Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Okay, if you think Vettel is arrogant and you don't like him, then that's cool. Overrated? Youngest and double WDC.

Considering for how long he has had the best car, it is almost embarrassing he only has two titles.

**Mia 01** · 7th Aug 12, 20:57

I remember a 100 million fine some years ago.

**Zico** · 7th Aug 12, 21:14

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Considering for how long he has had the best car, it is almost embarrassing he only has two titles.

Garry, you are entitled to your opinion but I dont think anyone else on here shares it. Im no Vettel fan but even if he did have the best car for his two WDC's, he did the job and he did it well. I dont think he deserves such contempt.

**airshifter** · 8th Aug 12, 11:02

Originally Posted by Zico

Garry, you are entitled to your opinion but I dont think anyone else on here shares it. Im no Vettel fan but even if he did have the best car for his two WDC's, he did the job and he did it well. I dont think he deserves such contempt.

Haters will hate, and not much will change that. And evidence of the dominant car shows in all the WDC titles Vettel and Webber have won. Oops... according to conspiracy theory Webber doesn't get a good car. Can't you see the logic in only providing one good car per team?

**kfzmeister** · 9th Aug 12, 04:03

Originally Posted by airshifter

Oops... according to conspiracy theory Webber doesn't get a good car.

Sometimes he does get some good parts put on his car........by accident.

**airshifter** · 10th Aug 12, 10:58

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

Sometimes he does get some good parts put on his car........by accident.

Ahhh.... that explains the occasional great performance. They get the cars mixed up and give Mark the "winning cheater" car!

**kfzmeister** · 10th Aug 12, 18:11

Originally Posted by airshifter

Ahhh.... that explains the occasional great performance. They get the cars mixed up and give Mark the "winning cheater" car!

Last year, for sure. They must have backed off this year in fear of being exposed. He's actually doing rather well.

**Garry Walker** · 12th Aug 12, 12:55

Originally Posted by Zico

Garry, you are entitled to your opinion but I dont think anyone else on here shares it. Im no Vettel fan but even if he did have the best car for his two WDC's, he did the job and he did it well. I dont think he deserves such contempt.

Even if he had the best car? He has had the best and fastest car since about the one third mark of the 2009 season.

**wedge** · 12th Aug 12, 16:06

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Even if he had the best car? He has had the best and fastest car since about the one third mark of the 2009 season.

It's debatable whether Vettel should have won WDC that year.

For sure there were moments of immaturity/trying too hard as in Australia, Monaco and Singapore, though the biggest criticism IMO would be whether Vettel could (decisively) overtake and there were moments when RBR looked strategically inept.

Good example would be that year's Turkish GP where it looked possible to overtake Button and when Vettel chickened out RBR should have changed to a 2-stopper instead of continuing with a 3-stopper.