German Grand Prix Thread

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 24th Jul 12, 23:09

Would someone please produce a link where Fred is quoted "causing a fuss" about having Hamiliton trying to unlap himself

In the immortal words of Valve Bounce "Link Please"!!

even when the McLaren of Lewis Hamilton was racing with the race leader Fernando Alonso, not for position, but to try and un-lap himself, Alonso refused to be critical of what the Brit was doing.

'I knew that if Lewis was close enough with the DRS and trying to overtake, I had no problem to leave the space, I knew he was not in the race. We didn't want to risk anything. For me it was a good position to have Hamilton between me and Sebastian. Alonso told Autosport Magazine.

'Having Hamilton there it meant Sebastian was 2.5s behind approaching the pitstop, so I tried to keep Lewis there.'
Skip down to the Red Bull garage and Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel held a completely different view.

Despite the fact that what Lewis Hamilton did was perfectly legal, Red Bull and Vettel slammed the actions of the McLaren driver.

'That was not nice of Lewis. I don't see why he was racing us, If he wants to go fast he should drop back and find a gap. It was stupid as he was a lap down.' Vettel said.

Vital F1 - Vettel & Alonso disagree over Hamilton
Or is this another case of pewter mist

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 25th Jul 12, 00:15

Originally Posted by Malbec

I really didn't understand why Vettel and Alonso made such a big fuss over Lewis. They were racing each other, not him. He was quicker than they were, why didn't they just let him by like Kobayashi let Vettel steam past and carry on racing each other? The most stupid outcome possible would have been either Vettel or Alonso losing a top finishing place because they ended up having an accident with Lewis, and doing what Alonso did which was to fight hard to keep Lewis behind, increasing tyre wear etc was also silly.

Well... I'm waiting!!

Alonso acknowledged that Vettel's dice with Hamilton had been handy for him, and that he would have swiftly let the McLaren past if necessary.

Vettel critical of Hamilton's "stupid" move during the German Grand Prix - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Now do you get it?

**Hawkmoon** · 25th Jul 12, 04:01

The potential for Hamilton to create mischief in this situtaion was huge. He was legally allowed to unlap himself. He was also legally obliged to obey the blue flags. Hamilton could have unlapped himself, allowed himself to get lapped again, unlapped himself etc and made a mess of Alonso or Vettel's races all within the rules. Hamilton didn't do this but I'm sure the thought crossed the mind of somebody in the McLaren team. How do the stewards deal with such a situation? Hamilton would have been within his rights to do it even if it wasn't particulalrly sporting. To aid his teammate he simply had to break the Alonso or Vettel's rhythm which dicing with a lapped car woulld surely have done.

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 25th Jul 12, 04:27

Originally Posted by Hawk’

How do the stewards deal with such a situation?

With a black flag!!

If he passed Alonso and slowed down that would last for precisely three coners, and then he would see a black flag and probably a suspension if it was really egregious. Really Hawk that is utter nonsense, to say nothing of the fact that that just isn't the way The Boss rolls! No need to bust out the red mist up in here

**Malbec** · 25th Jul 12, 07:46

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

Would someone please produce a link where Fred is quoted "causing a fuss" about having Hamiliton trying to unlap himself

In the immortal words of Valve Bounce "Link Please"!!

Vital F1 - Vettel & Alonso disagree over Hamilton
Or is this another case of pewter mist

Oh dear, not you again.

To save your blood pressure I meant that Alonso was making a fuss on track for a while trying to keep Hamilton behind him. Hence the comments about compromising his race, tyres etc (small clue for you there).

I don't generally follow post-race comments so I have no idea what Alonso or Vettel had to say about the whole thing.

**Malbec** · 25th Jul 12, 07:49

Originally Posted by Hawkmoon

The potential for Hamilton to create mischief in this situtaion was huge. He was legally allowed to unlap himself. He was also legally obliged to obey the blue flags. Hamilton could have unlapped himself, allowed himself to get lapped again, unlapped himself etc and made a mess of Alonso or Vettel's races all within the rules. Hamilton didn't do this but I'm sure the thought crossed the mind of somebody in the McLaren team. How do the stewards deal with such a situation? Hamilton would have been within his rights to do it even if it wasn't particulalrly sporting. To aid his teammate he simply had to break the Alonso or Vettel's rhythm which dicing with a lapped car woulld surely have done.

Ever so slightly far fetched don't you think, and if a lapped car interfered with frontrunners deliberately in this way I would have thought blue flags would have been the least of the penalties put on them. He'd have risked being penalised into the next race.

I'm surprised people haven't suggested that Lewis could/should have deliberately collided with Alonso and/or Vettel, it would have been a lot easier than some of the theories I've seen suggested so far...

**F1boat** · 25th Jul 12, 08:13

He could have also collided him because he tends to collide with people... it was a dangerous, disgusting move, even if legal, IMO.

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 25th Jul 12, 09:10

Originally Posted by Malbec

Oh dear, not you again.

To save your blood pressure I meant that Alonso was making a fuss on track for a while trying to keep Hamilton behind him. Hence the comments about compromising his race, tyres etc (small clue for you there).

I don't generally follow post-race comments so I have no idea what Alonso or Vettel had to say about the whole thing.

No worries this time chief

I actually realized after my rant that you were about the only one making sense in that convesation I came very late to. Humble apollogies

**Malbec** · 25th Jul 12, 09:31

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

No worries this time chief

I actually realized after my rant that you were about the only one making sense in that convesation I came very late to. Humble apollogies

NP!

**Mia 01** · 25th Jul 12, 10:18

I´m so glad Kimi got one fake podium

Lewis did a good job with the car he got, disturbing your main rivals can´t be bad at the end of the day.

**SGWilko** · 25th Jul 12, 11:05

Originally Posted by F1boat

He could have also collided him because he tends to collide with people... it was a dangerous, disgusting move, even if legal, IMO.

Wow, what's your address? I will send you a new keyboard as I suspect you really punched the keys for that little gem!

**kfzmeister** · 25th Jul 12, 17:55

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

No worries this time chief

I actually realized after my rant that you were about the only one making sense in that convesation I came very late to. Humble apollogies

And you mentioned my spelling? Lmao. Not only that, but how about sentence structure???

**Zico** · 25th Jul 12, 18:17

Originally Posted by F1boat

He could have also collided him because he tends to collide with people... it was a dangerous, disgusting move, even if legal, IMO.

I heard Lewis on the radio say that there was no way his tyres were gonna last at that pace and judging from Whitmarshes wry smile Its clearly obvious that Lewis was sent back out to try and help out Button by interfering with the race between the front duo, yes it may be a bit unsporting, but is such a strategy really 'dangerous and disgusting' as you put it? A bit harsh Imo, I have no doubts whatsover that any other team and driver on the grid would have done the exact same thing...

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 25th Jul 12, 18:21

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

And you mentioned my spelling? Lmao. Not only that, but how about sentence structure???

I thought you said you weren't keeping score slick? If you must know the only reason I corrected your spelling was to let you off the hook for trying to call me a Fairy, but you weren't paying attention when you ran it through "word" so it came out “ferries” which is understandable if your first language is not English
you punk @ss b!tch

**donKey jote** · 25th Jul 12, 18:36

fairy muff

**kfzmeister** · 25th Jul 12, 18:43

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

you punk @ss b!tch

Bwahahahahahaaaa

**F1boat** · 26th Jul 12, 15:43

Originally Posted by Zico

I heard Lewis on the radio say that there was no way his tyres were gonna last at that pace and judging from Whitmarshes wry smile Its clearly obvious that Lewis was sent back out to try and help out Button by interfering with the race between the front duo, yes it may be a bit unsporting, but is such a strategy really 'dangerous and disgusting' as you put it? A bit harsh Imo, I have no doubts whatsover that any other team and driver on the grid would have done the exact same thing...

The fact that they used such strategy in the Silvester Stalone "Driven" says it all, really

And SGWilko, the move was too pathetic even to anger me

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 26th Jul 12, 16:24

Originally Posted by Zico

I heard Lewis on the radio say that there was no way his tyres were gonna last at that pace and judging from Whitmarshes wry smile Its clearly obvious that Lewis was sent back out to try and help out Button by interfering with the race between the front duo, yes it may be a bit unsporting, but is such a strategy really 'dangerous and disgusting' as you put it? A bit harsh Imo, I have no doubts whatsover that any other team and driver on the grid would have done the exact same thing...

Unless Ioan's Pizza delivery boys have moved on to McLaren, I would think that Whitmarsh wanted him out there for desperately needed data colection specific to the driving style of The Boss, which is hard charging and quite different than Button's. But that would not feed the tabloid frenzy that pervades the Italian, Spanish, and British mindset

**Zico** · 26th Jul 12, 20:51

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

Unless Ioan's Pizza delivery boys have moved on to McLaren, I would think that Whitmarsh wanted him out there for desperately needed data colection specific to the driving style of The Boss, which is hard charging and quite different than Button's. But that would not feed the tabloid frenzy that pervades the Italian, Spanish, and British mindset

Kudos to you for looking for the best in people, you are a better man than me... or maybe you just didn't see Whitmarsh's face when the Sky comentators asked him about 'team play' re- Lewis passing Vettel ?

The last 15 secs or so on this video.

Video of the Day: Whitmarsh on Vettel-Button pass

**truefan72** · 27th Jul 12, 00:18

Originally Posted by F1boat

He could have also collided him because he tends to collide with people... it was a dangerous, disgusting move, even if legal, IMO.

LOL

what a laughable post, I'm almost tempted to include it in my sig for the hilarity

no..tell me how you really feel

1. I distinctly remember Kubice a few years ago unlapping himself, where was your outrage?
2. I remember other drivers in the last 2 decades either unlapping themsleves or keeping pace a lap down between other drivers
3. If vettel was quicker than the mclaren he would have closed up and repassed him
4. Even before hamilton came into the picture, Alonso started pulling away from vettel