2012 European Grand Prix

**steveaki13** · 24th Jun 12, 15:16

That was one crazy race.

Now Valencia has gone from 18th or 19th on everyones list to 10th odd probably. No but really it was amazing. So many moves and a fair amount nothing to do with DRS.

**truefan72** · 24th Jun 12, 15:17

Heidfeld looks comfortable behind the mic

**Dave B** · 24th Jun 12, 15:17

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Why should he just drive over the open chicane? He was fighting for a position, Hamilton forced him off the track, Maldonado, like a REAL racer, didn't back down. Why should he have? Next time Hamilton should think.
As for favourite drivers, Hamilton, despite the massively small brain that he has, is one of my favs.

Backing down may not have been as manly as you'd have liked, but it was almost certainly the difference between a podium and limping back to P10 and a probably penalty. Sometimes you have to use brains, not brawn.

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 15:19

Originally Posted by truefan72

...and with that, you just lost me again, proving that you are the Maldonado of these forums

Huh?

Can I not be critical of someone even if I support them? Go through my posting history and you will see how many times I have defended Hamilton on this forum. Today he was stupid and ruined a great chance of scoring points when Bieber retired. Very sad and very dumb.

As for being the Maldonado of this forum. He is one of the best racing drivers in world, a GP winner. So I don't think that comment of yours is particulary offending to me.

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 15:19

Originally Posted by Dave B

Backing down may not have been as manly as you'd have liked, but it was almost certainly the difference between a podium and limping back to P10 and a probably penalty. Sometimes you have to use brains, not brawn.

Neither of them used their brains today.

**wedge** · 24th Jun 12, 15:21

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Why should he just drive over the open chicane? He was fighting for a position, Hamilton forced him off the track, Maldonado, like a REAL racer, didn't back down. Why should he have?

Maldonado got back on the apex which was daft or malicious.

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 15:23

Originally Posted by henners88

Don't be too sensitive Garry. You rarely pull any punches with your put downs on here so you if anybody should admire that one.

Oh I don't think my post hinted that I was offended by it, in fact I implied that being called Maldonado was actually praise not a putdown

**wedge** · 24th Jun 12, 15:23

Maldonado said he was forced off.

Er, Pastor, didn't you just do that to someone at the start of the race?

**Dave B** · 24th Jun 12, 15:24

Originally Posted by wedge

Maldonado said he was forced off.

Er, Pastor, didn't you just do that to someone at the start of the race?

If only there was a pithy expression about two wrongs.

**christophulus** · 24th Jun 12, 15:25

BBC suggesting that Schumacher might lose a place (or more). What did I miss?

**Dave B** · 24th Jun 12, 15:27

Originally Posted by christophulus

BBC suggesting that Schumacher might lose a place (or more). What did I miss?

Using DRS under yellow flags, and therefore not slowing down, it seems.

andrewbensonf1

Oh - Ross Brawn dismisses questions of Schumacher yellow flag DRS use - says it was down 30m before the yellow flag zone

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**truefan72** · 24th Jun 12, 15:31

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Huh?

Can I not be critical of someone even if I support them? Go through my posting history and you will see how many times I have defended Hamilton on this forum. Today he was stupid and ruined a great chance of scoring points when Bieber retired. Very sad and very dumb.

As for being the Maldonado of this forum. He is one of the best racing drivers in world, a GP winner. So I don't think that comment of yours is particulary offending to me.

you have every right to be critical, and it is welcomed here, But you cross the line when you unnecessarily insult the driver with some derogatory comment thrown in, which tends to mask whatever good or pure point you were making

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 15:50

Originally Posted by christophulus

BBC suggesting that Schumacher might lose a place (or more). What did I miss?

LOL. That would be the icing on the cake.

Originally Posted by truefan72

you have every right to be critical, and it is welcomed here, But you cross the line when you unnecessarily insult the driver with some derogatory comment thrown in, which tends to mask whatever good or pure point you were making

Just out if curiosity, have you looked at the comments of some hamilton fanboys on Maldonado today? Come back to me when you have.

**Dave B** · 24th Jun 12, 16:03

Ted Kravitz: Mercedes say MSC did lift off 30m before yellow flag, and did close DRS.

I'm sure they have the telemetry to back up their claims, so I expect Schumacher to keep his podium place.

**Dave B** · 24th Jun 12, 16:14

BBC now have footage showing the flap open in the YF zone. That in itself isn't against the rules, but it does raise the question as to whether MSC backed off. He clearly didn't brake: that would have closed the flap, but did he lift off?