2012 European Grand Prix

**Ranger** · 24th Jun 12, 14:52

Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. Best race of the season by far.

Originally Posted by Alfa Fan

Alonso / Raikkonen / Schumacher podum. Are we sure it's not 2002?

Yep. 2003?

**F1boat** · 24th Jun 12, 14:54

So happy for Fred and Mike! Almost in tears now.

**The Black Knight** · 24th Jun 12, 14:54

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

It was not Maldonado's fault. Hamilton didn't give him any room, Maldo didn't back down, it was inevitable.
Hamilton should take a look at his small brain and realize that Maldonado was going to get past anyway due to DRS, there was no need to be an idiot about it. Well, now he ****ed up.

Hamilton had the racing line. If you have the racing line and someone launches himself into the side of you from off the line it can't be your fault. Maldonado is a donkey. He's a brainless atomaton that doesn't belong in F1. He's too stupid to be out there. Not alone does he launch himself into other drivers now he has done it in a race. He needs a ban. Absolutely ridiculous.

**truefan72** · 24th Jun 12, 14:55

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

It was not Maldonado's fault. Hamilton didn't give him any room, Maldo didn't back down, it was inevitable.
Hamilton should take a look at his small brain and realize that Maldonado was going to get past anyway due to DRS, there was no need to be an idiot about it. Well, now he ****ed up.

LOL

It was clearly Maldonado's fault
he had all four wheels off the track, then came back in and broadsided Hamilton

My issue is not the actual accident, but the fact that Hamilton should have just let him go, take the points and finish at worst 11 points behind Alonso, He was 7 seconds ahead of the car behind maldonado with one lap to go.
But now he has zero points and allowed Alonso to build a big lead

**The Black Knight** · 24th Jun 12, 14:56

Great drive by Alonso. Driver of the day.

My donkey of the day besides the obvious Maldonado is the McLaren pit crew for once again proving that they can't go an entire race weekend without having a slow pitstop. Hamilton would probably have won the race were it not for that.

**christophulus** · 24th Jun 12, 14:57

Epic drive from Alonso, credit where credit's due

The Maldonado and Hamilton crash was just stupid. Ruined a great race for me.

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 14:57

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Hamilton had the racing line. If you have the racing line and someone launches himself into the side of you from off the line it can't be your fault. Maldonado is a donkey. He's a brainless atomaton that doesn't belong in F1. He's too stupid to be out there. Not alone does he launch himself into other drivers now he has done it in a race. He needs a ban. Absolutely ridiculous.

Dealing and discussing with extreme fanboys is just meaningless.

The reality is that LH didn't give any room to a guy who had nothing to lose and who everyone knows is agressive on track, whereas Hamilton had everything to lose. Hamilton once again didn't think and he got what he deserved. Clever boy that Hammy.

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 14:58

Originally Posted by truefan72

LOL

It was clearly Maldonado's fault
he had all four wheels off the track, then came back in and broadsided Hamilton

My issue is not the actual accident, but the fact that Hamilton should have just let him go, take the points and finish at worst 11 points behind Alonso, He was 7 seconds ahead of the car behind maldonado with one lap to go.
But now he has zero points and allowed Alonso to build a big lead

Why was Hamilton racing so agressively against Maldonado? That is my problem with Hamilton in this situation. I have nothing against Hamilton and I have defended him on thousand occasions here, but today he clearly wasn't thinking.

**truefan72** · 24th Jun 12, 15:00

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

Great drive by Alonso. Driver of the day.

My donkey of the day besides the obvious Maldonado is the McLaren pit crew for once again proving that they can't go an entire race weekend without having a slow pitstop. Hamilton would probably have won the race were it not for that.

absolutely right

funny how Ron Dennis and co think that the ball is in their court in terms of contract negotiations, at this point Hamilton could easily go to Ferrari or RBR

**truefan72** · 24th Jun 12, 15:01

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Why was Hamilton racing so agressively against Maldonado? That is my problem with Hamilton in this situation. I have nothing against Hamilton and I have defended him on thousand occasions here, but today he clearly wasn't thinking.

Garry, that was my point , but the actual accident was Maldonad's fault, so in some strange way, we agree.

**The Black Knight** · 24th Jun 12, 15:01

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Dealing and discussing with extreme fanboys is just meaningless.

The reality is that LH didn't give any room to a guy who had nothing to lose and who everyone knows is agressive on track, whereas Hamilton had everything to lose. Hamilton once again didn't think and he got what he deserved. Clever boy that Hammy.

I agree completely that Hamilton should have left him through and yes didn't use his brain, he clearly couldn't keep him behind, but he's not required to make it easy for Maldonado. It's up to Maldonado to get past without taking the other driver off.

**Dave B** · 24th Jun 12, 15:02

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Red Bull is the most corrupt team in F1. That jerk marko will do anything in his power to make sure Webber doesn't get a chance to beat biebel.

I bet you feel stupid now.

**The Black Knight** · 24th Jun 12, 15:03

Originally Posted by truefan72

Garry, that was my point , but the actual accident was Maldonad's fault, so in some strange way, we agree.

That's my opinion as well. Hamilton should have left him through but that doesn't make the incident Hamilton's fault. To be honest, you have to be pretty brain dead to not realise that a driver coming from off the race track into the side of another driver is in the wrong.

**wedge** · 24th Jun 12, 15:07

Originally Posted by The Black Knight

That's my opinion as well. Hamilton should have left him through but that doesn't make the incident Hamilton's fault. To be honest, you have to be pretty brain dead to not realise that a driver coming from off the race track into the side of another driver is in the wrong.

Why not?

The incident was totally avoidable if LH yielded before the chicane.

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 15:10

Originally Posted by truefan72

Garry, that was my point , but the actual accident was Maldonad's fault, so in some strange way, we agree.

No, that was a racing incident. Simple.

Originally Posted by Dave B

I bet you feel stupid now.

My advice - don't bet.

**The Black Knight** · 24th Jun 12, 15:10

Originally Posted by wedge

Why not?

The incident was totally avoidable if LH yielded before the chicane.

Are you serious?

**AndyL** · 24th Jun 12, 15:11

Originally Posted by Matthew

Yep. 2003?

Canada 2006

Looks like Magny Cours 2005 was the last time they finished on the podium in the same order

**Garry Walker** · 24th Jun 12, 15:12

Originally Posted by henners88

Because he was keen to hold onto 3rd position like any determined racer would. Why did Maldonado not just drive across an open chicane rather than forcing his way back onto the track? The guy is a total idiot and its only a matter of time before he has an incident with your favourite driver.

Why should he just drive over the open chicane? He was fighting for a position, Hamilton forced him off the track, Maldonado, like a REAL racer, didn't back down. Why should he have? Next time Hamilton should think.
As for favourite drivers, Hamilton, despite the massively small brain that he has, is one of my favs.

**truefan72** · 24th Jun 12, 15:15

Originally Posted by wedge

Why not?

The incident was totally avoidable if LH yielded before the chicane.

now we are just talking in circles

Hamilton didn't have to yield, but he should have before that corner...that is a matter of opinion and probably a sensible approach. But that is simply strategy
Maldonado actually caused an accident, took out another car and ruined his race never mind a podium position, much needed WDC points for Williams, and once again cementing his troublesome reputation.
I expect a 10 place grid drop for the next race.