12th Jul 12, 08:40 #161
12th Jul 12, 09:53 #162
It's funny. Michael's supporters use his titles & race win stats to convince anyone prepared to listen that he's the greatest F1 driver there has ever been, and yet, for some reason, they are prepared to ignore his post comeback stats.
More than two years in he has accumulated just one podium finish. He has been out scored by his teammate each season. This year he has just 23 points, whereas Rosberg has 75. In teammate comparison terms it could be argued that he's performing at at Massa or Senna level.
Yes, luck and circumstance have played their part in Michael's lack of results, but they always do for every driver. That has to be taken into account, but we're not just talking about one season here.
Alguersuari & Buemi were given three years to prove themselves at Toro Rosso. Why should Micheal be given a fourth year? How are things going to change & improve?
12th Jul 12, 10:31 #163
12th Jul 12, 13:12 #164
Any criticism of Vettel whether constructive or not is usually greeted with a stern defence with circumstances that cannot be applied to any other driver in my experience.
Any criticism of Alonso whether constructive or not is usually greeted with a stern defence with circumstances that cannot be applied to any other driver in my experience.
Any criticism of Maldonado whether constructive or not is usually greeted with a stern defence with circumstances that cannot be applied to any other driver in my experience.
Any criticism of Petrov whether constructive or not is usually greeted with a stern defence with circumstances that cannot be applied to any other driver in my experience.
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12th Jul 12, 13:57 #165
Okay. I have been writing posts about replacing Schumacher before. And he is performing really well now, which creates a dilemma. Considering his age, I would think the only reason to keep him would be if he was beating Rosberg. And this is exactly, what he is doing right now. Let's see if he can keep it up. But if he was being beaten (even if he ran close), I would like to replace him with a current Force India junior or someone else for 2013.
12th Jul 12, 14:27 #166
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We can't ignore that marketing value is a strong component of what keeps Michael's seat his (though I agree with you, this season he is more than justifying his place).
12th Jul 12, 15:32 #167
12th Jul 12, 15:36 #168
I have to admit though that in my previous post I was largely arguing from driver's (future) performance point of view.
12th Jul 12, 16:31 #169
12th Jul 12, 17:44 #170
Schumacher has already shown he has much higher potential than Buemi and Alguersauri. I was thinking of his first career but now I think of it, his second career too, for I don't think Buemi or Alguersuari have ever put in a race performance that would put them 30sec up the road from Nico, as Schumacher is often doing.
Also for those of you (I mean you Johnny Herbert ) who suggest Rosberg is and always was better than Schumacher, I'll wait to see Nico make a comeback at 41 years of age after 3 years in retirement and see how he gets on.SPAM - Going off topic to give you the deals you don't want. - (I'll change my avatar back soon)
12th Jul 12, 17:56 #171
Based on talent I can think of about 2 or 3 other drivers that should give it up before Mike, after they are vetted than we can get on to truly talented pilots like Schumacher. JMHOThose who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
12th Jul 12, 18:03 #172
12th Jul 12, 18:12 #173
Narain Karthikeyan, Pedro de la Rosa
Not that I think these two should quit, only judging on talent they don't match Mike. My point is why are we even having this coversation? HRT wants PdR and NK. Mercedes seem to want Mike and that is reason enough!Those who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
12th Jul 12, 18:48 #174
I didn't say that PdR is doing a bad job, only that I think Mike has more talent. As I implied in my previous post teams have reasons for employing the drivers they do. HRT has a Spaniard, and an Indian for what I think is sponsorship, and national interest reasons. Would they have better drivers if the car was more competitive, probably (at least NK)? Mercedes has the best of worlds, a positive marketing as well as racing commodity. Can you blame Brawn for:
As far as Brawn is concerned, the team are prepared to give the German as long as he needs to make up his mind, although there is a feeling Schumacher is having fun and so should continue.Those who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
12th Jul 12, 18:49 #175
A driver is very fortunate to get the opportunity to pick a time to retire. More often than not the decision is made for them and it's not a time of their choosing. Most would continue as long as they can. Michael was fortunate to get a second chance to race in F1 and he clearly loves doing it. He's seemingly a more relaxed character these days, and his enjoyment is clear. That's great. But I am reminded of the career of Graham Hill. Hill was a great talent, but it's generally accepted that he raced on too long. Not qualifying at Monaco, where he had been the master, was sad to see and ultimately it prompted his retirement.
Michael hasn't reached that position yet, but I hope he makes the decision to retire before he does.
12th Jul 12, 19:29 #176
So after all that my short answer is no I don't think Schumacher finally should retireThose who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
12th Jul 12, 19:42 #177
14th Jul 12, 17:15 #178
14th Jul 12, 18:36 #179
Just curious (I see Patrese also made the podium) was their charity funds raised by them?Those who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
14th Jul 12, 18:46 #180