Hamilton loses Pole

**Brown, Jon Brow** · 14th May 12, 10:21

I still don't understand why he had to drop to the back of the grid and not just lose his times from Q3.

**truefan72** · 14th May 12, 13:59

what whitemarsh is saying

Whitmarsh admits Hamilton blunder - Yahoo! Eurosport

apparently he probably thought they would lose that final Q3 run, or all Q3 times, but did not expect to be placed at the back of the grid
oh well, another race another mclaren blunder costing Hamilton

**Knock-on** · 14th May 12, 14:06

Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I still don't understand why he had to drop to the back of the grid and not just lose his times from Q3.

Me too. I had a look through the regs and must have missed it. It does say that you need 1 litre for sampleing at any time during the event which must be taken in the Pits apart from during force majure but he made himself availiable for those samples. Seems a bit harsh.

Also, why wasn't FM accepted when I remember several occassions this year when other drivers have pulled up straight after the race has finished and switched off the engine in an attempt, I suspect, to avoid running out of fuel.

Just questions

**SGWilko** · 14th May 12, 14:09

Originally Posted by Knock-on

Me too. I had a look through the regs and must have missed it. It does say that you need 1 litre for sampleing at any time during the event which must be taken in the Pits apart from during force majure but he made himself availiable for those samples. Seems a bit harsh.

Also, why wasn't FM accepted when I remember several occassions this year when other drivers have pulled up straight after the race has finished and switched off the engine in an attempt, I suspect, to avoid running out of fuel.

Just questions

The rules on fuel left for samples concerning qually differ from the race. It is all related to park ferme I think.

**Knock-on** · 14th May 12, 14:16

Originally Posted by SGWilko

The rules on fuel left for samples concerning qually differ from the race. It is all related to park ferme I think.

e grateful if someone can post a link to the passage as I don't have time to go through them again today.

I'd b

**Dave B** · 14th May 12, 14:38

Originally Posted by Knock-on

e grateful if someone can post a link to the passage as I don't have time to go through them again today.

I'd b

Here you go:

6.6.2 Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

Source: Formula 1

The key phrase is "after a practice session", and for regulatory purposes qualifying is termed a practice session. After the race there's no rule that a car must make it back under its own power. McLaren tried to argue Force Midge-Ure, as I like to call it, but as there was no external influence this was rejected.

Edit: and here's the FIA ruling on Hamilton (or more accurately McLaren)'s breach:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...ocument-36.pdf

**SGWilko** · 14th May 12, 14:41

Originally Posted by Dave B

McLaren tried to argue Force Midge-Ure, as I like to call it, but as there was no external influence this was rejected.

Edit: and here's the FIA ruling on Hamilton (or more accurately McLaren)'s breach

But as the stewards were having none of it, it was goodnight Vienna.....

**SGWilko** · 14th May 12, 14:42

PS - Has Lewis found his pole yet, or is it still lost?

**Dave B** · 14th May 12, 14:43

Originally Posted by SGWilko

But as the stewards were having none of it, it was goodnight Vienna.....

This means nothing to me.

**SGWilko** · 14th May 12, 14:44

Originally Posted by Dave B

This means nothing to me.

Bu dum, pa te dah dum, tissshhhhhhh

**Knock-on** · 14th May 12, 15:16

OMG, this forum gets cheesier by the second.

Thanks for the Statement Dave. The Midge Ure in this case was taking the p1ss if I wouldn't have even tried to argue it and just said "woops, we cocked up" and take it on the chin.

Still seems a bit harsh to disqualify him from all the qualifying though. Just my tuppence worth.

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 14th May 12, 15:27

Originally Posted by SGWilko

PS - Has Lewis found his pole yet, or is it still lost?

They found it just outside lorenna bobbit's bedroom window, laying on the front lawn.

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 14th May 12, 23:46

At monaco Lewis is going to be Jell.
I wonder what Ferrari might have up their slevese, pure Corinthian leather?
At this point I would turn it over to billy-bob, kind of need his duty along with Donn Capps in you pocket. It is a beatiful thing

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 14th May 12, 23:48

watch this!!

**SGWilko** · 15th May 12, 09:37

Well now.

What year was it when the Renault's chewed up their Michelin's at Monaco, and we actually had some genuine overtakes?

Let us hope that the Pirelli's this year give us a chance for some Kwalitee racing around the Principality.

I seem to remember that DRS was a non-event last year, but in 2009, the teams that ran it, found KERS was really quite useful.

One to relish methinks. I shall certainly be stocking the beer cooler in readiness!

**steveaki13** · 15th May 12, 17:29

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Well now.

What year was it when the Renault's chewed up their Michelin's at Monaco, and we actually had some genuine overtakes?

2005.

Fernando was passed by Heidfeld and Webber in the Williams on that day.

And Fisi had a 5 car que behind him then they all passed him in 1 lap. I remember Trulli in the Toyota launching over the lowe's hairpin curbs and damaging the car. It was spectacular.