Thread: Pirelli defend tyres after Schumacher blast

Originally Posted by aryan

Tyre management was a lost art in F1 for decades, and now it's made a comeback. I think both viewers and drivers are having to adjust to this, and some are doing it better than others.

Let me give you the example of 2006 season:

San Marino GP Schumi held off Alonso for lap after lap in the second stint and yat at the same time also conserved his tyres so he could push after Alonso pitted.

Brazillian GP Schumi gets a puncture and WDC hopes have been compromised. Conserves his tyres for the first half of his long second stint with the help of Massa not lapping him then in the second half of that stint he pushes like crazy.

In that regard this year's Pirelli's are far, far too compromising.

Originally Posted by henners88

It's something schuey will have to get used to in that case. Times change.

2006 Hungarian GP Schumi stayed out on inters on a dry track and went backwards. And nor did he moan about Bridgestone's crap tyres for that particular race.

Is it about getting used to a style or racing or a preference. I would argue its the latter.

Originally Posted by wedge

2006 Hungarian GP Schumi stayed out on inters on a dry track and went backwards. And nor did he moan about Bridgestone's crap tyres for that particular race.

Is it about getting used to a style or racing or a preference. I would argue its the latter.

I'm not sure a preference matters in this case, though. After all, everyone has to get used to it somehow.

Putting it into perspective; this is of course motor racing and is attended by people that want to be entertained. Just be happy that when your wife goes into labor and is 50% dilated before you head to the hospital that you don't have a set of the super softs on your sedan and the hospital is a 60K drive

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

Putting it into perspective; this is of course motor racing and is attended by people that want to be entertained. Just be happy that when your wife goes into labor and is 50% dilated before you head to the hospital that you don't have a set of the super softs on your sedan and the hospital is a 60K drive

To be fair though. If you have a super soft, the chances of your wife being pregnant in the first place ar pretty rare

Originally Posted by wedge

Let me give you the example of 2006 season:

San Marino GP Schumi held off Alonso for lap after lap in the second stint and yat at the same time also conserved his tyres so he could push after Alonso pitted.

Brazillian GP Schumi gets a puncture and WDC hopes have been compromised. Conserves his tyres for the first half of his long second stint with the help of Massa not lapping him then in the second half of that stint he pushes like crazy.

In that regard this year's Pirelli's are far, far too compromising.

But is it better to see a much faster driver unable to overtake, as in Imola in 2005 or 2006? I think not

Originally Posted by F1boat

But is it better to see a much faster driver unable to overtake, as in Imola in 2005 or 2006? I think not

It was still exciting and still engrossing and far, far more rewarding than a meaningless DRS-assisted overtake when one blasts by on the outside line.

And yes, there are instances of frustration as in Abu Dhabi 2010 but its namely aerodynamics to blame.

The first step is getting rid of DRS. Way too gimmicky.

Originally Posted by wedge

It was still exciting and still engrossing and far, far more rewarding than a meaningless DRS-assisted overtake when one blasts by on the outside line.

And yes, there are instances of frustration as in Abu Dhabi 2010 but its namely aerodynamics to blame.

I guess that it's a matter of taste I prefer this year's races

Originally Posted by wedge

It was still exciting and still engrossing and far, far more rewarding than a meaningless DRS-assisted overtake when one blasts by on the outside line.

And yes, there are instances of frustration as in Abu Dhabi 2010 but its namely aerodynamics to blame.

You speak the truth Wedge.


This is it

Originally Posted by F1boat

Garry Walker should stop insulting fans who enjoy the sport. If he doesn't like it, he may leave and shut the **** up.

Did I told the likes of you to leave and shut the **** up when your kind were crying about the lack of overtaking? No, I didn't. I don't like the gimmick artificial "racing" we have nowadays and I will say about it whatever I want, I want proper racing back where the fastest driver win, not like we have now.

btw: the opinion of someone like you is less important to me than used toilet paper.

Originally Posted by DexDexter

These Garry Walkers and Ioans should just stop watching the series, I mean nobody forces you to watch it, do they?

I am watching in more from habit, not from passion anymore due to idiotic changes to rules and these awful gimmick tyres.
BTW: Did I told the likes of you to stop watching the series if you are not happy with the lack of overtaking?

Originally Posted by wedge

Let me give you the example of 2006 season:

San Marino GP Schumi held off Alonso for lap after lap in the second stint and yat at the same time also conserved his tyres so he could push after Alonso pitted.

Brazillian GP Schumi gets a puncture and WDC hopes have been compromised. Conserves his tyres for the first half of his long second stint with the help of Massa not lapping him then in the second half of that stint he pushes like crazy.

In that regard this year's Pirelli's are far, far too compromising.

At Brazil Schumi was pretty much flat out the whole stint. At San Marino he saved tyres and then pushed, something that wouldn't happen these days, because even after one lap of pushing on race fuel you kill the tyres.

You have the right to b1tch, moan and whine as much as you want, Walker. What you can't do is insult people who enjoy the phenomenal year we have. Your insults show only your lack of proper manners.

Originally Posted by F1boat

You have the right to b1tch, moan and whine as much as you want, Walker. What you can't do is insult people who enjoy the phenomenal year we have. Your insults show only your lack of proper manners.

you think I lack proper manners, yet find it acceptable to tell me to STFU. Does hypocrisy not exist in where-ever you live in?

Perhaps I have not spoken clearly enough. You can moan as much as you want about tires. You have the right to prefer dull DTM-like racing, the likes of which we saw in previous year, like the Abu Dhabi 2010 GP. What I think is unacceptable is to cyber-bully the fans of this year's racing with insults. This, I think, is ill-mannered.

Originally Posted by henners88

You both need to mind your manners and stop the bickering as most here don't want to read it.

OK, I apologize for spamming the thread

Originally Posted by henners88

You both need to mind your manners and stop the bickering as most here don't want to read it.

The fact of the matter is Pirelli have delivered to the mandate set yet are the ones getting all the flack. All rule changes attract opposition from fans and within teams, but thats something that will not go away with a bit of shouting. At the beginning of 2009 when the aero regs were changed and we had higher, slimmer rear wings and wing front wings, we had alot of opposition amongst fans. The front wings were declared dangerous by some because they were too wide but guess what, we've all gotten used to it. The same will happen to the tyres and the teams will work out how to make them work better. Its not welcome for all, but we ain't going to change it now so lets just enjoy the racing.

Great post Henners.

At the end of the day it's what we have for current regs and we along with the drivers have to deal with it. And for the sake of not making the forum a daycare center, we should express our opinions and accept those that oppose them without resorting to insults and childish attacks.

Originally Posted by henners88

You both need to mind your manners and stop the bickering as most here don't want to read it.

The fact of the matter is Pirelli have delivered to the mandate set yet are the ones getting all the flack. All rule changes attract opposition from fans and within teams, but thats something that will not go away with a bit of shouting. At the beginning of 2009 when the aero regs were changed and we had higher, slimmer rear wings and wing front wings, we had alot of opposition amongst fans. The front wings were declared dangerous by some because they were too wide but guess what, we've all gotten used to it. The same will happen to the tyres and the teams will work out how to make them work better. Its not welcome for all, but we ain't going to change it now so lets just enjoy the racing.

This

A few thoughts..

I saw a reference to Abu Dabi 2010. Which I agree was a terrible race, but of course alot of races that season were great.
Same with 2004, it wasn't vintage but these years there were good races, and DRS and Pirellis would have struggled to stop Ferrari in all likelyhood.

So its not case as some seem to make it that F1 was terrible then and great now, and visa versa great then terrible now.


Now I have made my feelings clear before about DRS, and that I would prefer it to be gone.

I like the concept of Pirelli tyres as it makes for a more varied race, than the later bridgestones, when softs could last the whole race. However I do feel they have maybe gone a tad too far.

That said unlike some, although I have a 10% doubt about the tyres, I still think F1 is great. And think despite our slight differences in opinion most here would love F1 no matter what the rules and regs.

F1 was great before Pirelli and DRS, and F1 is great now with DRS and Pirelli, its just a matter of personal preference. It doesn't mean we are head to head.

Originally Posted by F1boat

Perhaps I have not spoken clearly enough. You can moan as much as you want about tires. You have the right to prefer dull DTM-like racing, the likes of which we saw in previous year, like the Abu Dhabi 2010 GP. What I think is unacceptable is to cyber-bully the fans of this year's racing with insults. This, I think, is ill-mannered.

Cry me a river.

How long before the Pireli board give Hembery the boot?!
One can't read Autosport without an almost daily attempt from Hembery to defend his crappy tires, while people keep talking about how they seemingly can't produce a competitive race tire, something that Bridgestone did with such ease.

Michelin left for the reasons we know and following that Bridgestone left after a couple of years because they knew that without competition they are not proving anything to anyone.
Pirelli arrived and the tire lottery started. No matter how much the average Joe will love the total unpredictability of the races Pirelli isn't coming out of it as a winner as they are not beating any rival and on top of it the whole commentary during the races is about when the tires of driver X will be dead, and usually it's about 10 to 15 laps which is laughable.

I can't see the board in Milano being happy with this kind of image, but hey this is just my view, so I'll now hand it over to the 'experts' who will tell the world how Alonso vs MS in Imola 2005 and 2006 was not great racing and what they watch now is the best ever racing.