15th Apr 12, 16:35 #1
Did Pirelli go too far?
Here's something I wanted to share with you.
In the first three races of 2012, from what we've seen so far, it looks like having the fastest car isn't enough to win. It looks like rather than being outright fast, the most important thing seems to be getting the tyres to work, and a small change in temperature can have huge consequences on a car's handling and performance. Is this really what the sport should be about, and is it what we'd like to see? Personally, I'm a bit disappointed to see how these three first races have become sort of a lottery in which the car which can get its tyres into the optimal temperature window will win, even if it's not really fast. This was specially obvious in the Malaysian GP, with Ferrari and Sauber going faster just because they made the tyres work better on wet conditions, yet were basically nowhere in China. I wonder if, in Pirelli's intentions to make the championship more exciting, they went a step too far and made tyres which were simply unpredictable.
Of course, time will tell whether the teams will get on top of the tyres or not, but what we've seen so far from the 2012 Pirellis is a bit absurd, isn't it?
15th Apr 12, 16:57 #2
I don't know about that.
You raise an interesting point.
I just think circumstances of races have had some impact.
In Australia you always get a unpredictable race and Mclaren were the fastest and duely finished 3rd and 1st.
In Malaysia it was wet and stop start, so hard to judge.
In China Surely Mercedes and Mclaren were fastest and came back to the front, albeit with some struggles.
So I think we need to wait and see really."In F1 too many things overshadow the Racing" by Kimi
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15th Apr 12, 16:59 #3
I have to say Pirelli has done an impressive job, because they have outsmarted the teams for now and created them headaches. Last year the tyres were deteriorating fast, but perhaps the tyre structure was not so complicated, so this is indeed, what we saw - fastest cars running away from others.
Chances are though that during the season top teams will figure out, how to get the best out of the tyres. And we would see more predictable races than now. A bit like in 2005, when early in the season all kinds of teams could be seen challenging for podiums (Toyota, Williams, RBR), but in the end McLaren and Renault comfortably dominated. So we have to enjoy the current situation, while it lasts.
15th Apr 12, 17:11 #4
15th Apr 12, 18:12 #5
Tyres, what can I say ? ... I lurve that smell of burning rubber in the morgensHola AmisgŘitos
15th Apr 12, 18:21 #6
This is a very interesting point. But more and more F1 is about how quickly and efficiently a team can solve the problems during a race weekend, during a timed session, or even during a single lap! This is a good thing, I think, but then again some drivers probably suffer as a result of this. The one I would say most suffers, though, is Hamilton, as he is possibly the fastest over a single lap in ideal conditions, and he's leading the championship through three consistent third place finishes, so I think I'll have to wait and see (and not type before I've fully thought things out...!)
15th Apr 12, 19:37 #7
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nope I think Pirelli are doing a fabulous job- they're providing tyres that force the drivers/teams to think on their feet and is impacting on the races- long may it continue. The alternative is the tedious boring processions we saw during the Bridgestone era
15th Apr 12, 20:25 #8
I think Pirelli has stirred it up quite well, the fact is that, in the last decade it has all been about making the Tyres work, it became much easier in the last few years, and this year its a challenge for any one team to make it work in all conditions and this is very good, we get to see drivers true potential when the car does start working for them. I'd like to see this more often, then any one team running away with it
15th Apr 12, 21:06 #9
Don't get me started about this rubber manufacturer.
Durex could make better race tires if they weren't already into another rubber business.Michael Schumacher The Best Ever F1 Driver
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15th Apr 12, 23:18 #10
First of all it should be unpredictable. Why watch a predictable race? Gary Anderson has pointed out that there is greater onus on the drivers to make the difference.
It's too early to raise this criticism. There are various reasons for the races and it's not like Massa has been in contention then something is wrong. The drivers who've won earned it.
We've only had 3 races and three totally different conditions, not to mention that we're still early in the car development cycle. A trend of some sort is likely to occur, IMO.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/status/301406167249326080
15th Apr 12, 23:20 #11
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16th Apr 12, 08:23 #13
For the average sunshine supporter on the street to just come in and see cars racing each other closely it looks great but, to me, whom is an avid F1 fan since I was a kid, the Pirelli tyres coupled with meddling by the officials and DRS continues to leave a worse and worse taste in my mouth.
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16th Apr 12, 09:02 #14
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We can't speak for lottery in 20 event season. No matter how rules change, the best drivers and engineers will always be on the top at the end of the year, but I want to see them struggling for that and proving they really deserve that.
16th Apr 12, 09:05 #15
16th Apr 12, 09:12 #16
The drivers now have to be conscious of how they use the tyres. Compare Vettel to Kimi. Kimi has no experience of the Pirelli cliff edge, and suffered more that Vettel did when the tyres went....
For me, it spices up the show. DRS was not an overtake-easy tool in China, and I think that it was well implemented - it allowed the pass to be set up. Just look at some of the overtakes not in the DRS zone.
Nope - I think Pirelli have got it just about right.Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
16th Apr 12, 11:54 #17
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16th Apr 12, 11:55 #18
So to Pirelli.TÝr gan teanga, tÝr gan anam
16th Apr 12, 12:06 #19
So far I think Pirelli have been doing exactly what the sport wanted them to do. It does seem to me that at some races the choices for tires made by the FIA seem on the softer side and that leads to a lot of rubber off line very early in the race. But the tires themselves are doing what they are supposed to do IMO.
16th Apr 12, 12:53 #20
Malaysia - yes, it arguably was a lottery but Alonso's drive was hallmark of a great driver. We've seen him fend off Schumi in an inferior Renault at the 2005 San Marino GP.
Gary Anderson & Mark Hughes both point the finger at chassis/set up, not to mention Perez being arguably a class driver:
The main one will be over the torsional stiffness of the car, because in the wet a more flexible structure is a more compliant car, which can be a benefit.
BBC Sport - Gary Anderson?s review of the F1 teams after two racesThe mystery is why both the Ferrari and Sauber were faster than McLaren, Red Bull and Lotus - and that is almost certainly due to how each car was using its tyres in the crucial intermediate tyres phase (between laps 14-40). A feasible theory espoused by at least one prominent engineer was that the faster cars all had stiffer set-ups, with spring rates appropriate to downforce in excess of those generated by the Sauber and Ferrari (stiff springing will work the tyres less in the wet) - and that prevented them from reaching the particular threshold temperature needed to get the intermediate rubber working on the day.
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