14th May 12, 04:18 #221
I'd actually like more durable tires myself, but at the end of the day we have what we have. IMO F1 got the tires they asked for, and we can't blame a manufacturer for that. Lewis put together a strong race today with an unusual tire strategy and less stops, so it can be done. What I really dislike is the limits on the number of tires teams can use. Give them plenty of tires and let them play out their own strategies.
14th May 12, 06:03 #222
From webber after the race
"If you start towards the back, you’ll invariably finish towards the back because you’re stuck in traffic and you take too much out of the tyres. You end up having to drive as slow as possible to get to the end of the race. I’m not a big fan of racing like that, but the fans seem to enjoy it."
14th May 12, 06:24 #223
14th May 12, 10:22 #224
14th May 12, 10:27 #225
So, get off the 'hatred' high horse as it's getting really boring now. You can listen to an ex F1 driver who is looking for any excuse to explain away his poor performances, inexplicable crashes, dangerous driving and why he has been constantly thrashed by his young team mate. The rest of us are more interested in F1.
14th May 12, 12:59 #226
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14th May 12, 13:15 #227
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There's a reason why teams like Ferrari, RBR and McLaren tend to win most races in normal seasons. They have greater resources, develop a more efficient car, have better race engineering teams and make fewer mistakes throughout the race weekend. They usually have a better baseline car that is better setup by Sunday afternoon than midfield teams. Thats why they win so often.
I somehow doubt that the top teams have suddenly forgotten how to do their business over the winter.
Now there is little doubt that the midfield have caught up a lot with the top teams over the winter, but the results should not be this 'random' especially on a track which the teams all know like the back of their hand because they spend all winter testing there, which rewards aero efficiency more than most and therefore which differentiates a lot between cars of differing performance levels.
There are certain aspects of Pirelli characteristics that I quite like. In particular I like the fact that they reward smooth driving and that they fall off a cliff at a certain point. However I do not like the counterpoint, that they degrade far too quickly once a driver is caught in the dirty air behind another car. Ultimately drivers like Rosberg, Alonso and Maldonaldo won their races this year because they broke away from the pack and were almost always driving in free air, able to control their tyre degradation at will. Drivers caught in a train on the other hand found their tyres degrading far too quickly to do anything compromising their race performance too much as a result. Also the fact is that being able to optimise tyre performance does seem to have an inordinately large effect on performance and while this may make a great spectacle, is it great racing?
14th May 12, 13:22 #228
Looking at yesterdays race, I was interested in Ant's explanation of some of Lewis's passes - and how he set them up. For the most part, he'd deliberately take a different line into a corner when behind a competitor to keep in the clean air. I'd also point out that, on these fragile crap tyres (alegedley) he ran a 31 lap stint.........Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
14th May 12, 13:22 #229
In Spain Lewis Hamilton started not towards the back, but at the back, and yet he finished 8th through a combination of clever strategy and level-headed driving. So it can be done, it's just extremely difficult. And here's the thing: it's meant to be difficult.
It's notable that the only drivers whinging about the tyres have yet to stand on the podium in 2012...Useful F1 Twitter thingy: http://goo.gl/6PO1u
14th May 12, 14:13 #230
14th May 12, 16:56 #231
14th May 12, 19:02 #232
I've followed F1 since the mid-1970's and seen many changes in that time, but the one thing that has offended me most in terms of the racing is DRS, not the tyres. The tyres have presented the teams with a challenge and perhaps, in time, the bigger teams with all their resources will get to the bottom of how to make them work to their advantage, but until (if) that happens I'm enjoying F1. Sunday's race was an absorbing race from start to finish, and I can't say the same of many races in the last 10yrs or so.
14th May 12, 21:46 #233
As for tyres I am not quite sure. I am enjoying the racing this year and glad to see the non DRS passing (i.e Kobayashi yesterday on Button and alike) which is down to tyres I suppose, but I am always left with a nagging voice in my head about the way F1 is playing out. Only a 10% voice but its there.
I also do think it appears more drivers will win races as this season goes on, but we will maybe miss out of the good old fashioned Championship epics.
Where the best drivers battle it out season long. I enjoyed the title races between Alonso, Hamilton, Massa and Raikkonen from a few years back. The tactics and the battles and tension.
I just fear come the end of the season a driver might not be in the title battle due to two races where he is in traffic and loses tyres and cant fight for the title.
I no it will not make sense to some, and its hard to explain, but I guess I am just unsettled by the prospect of 11 or 12 race winners and 6 drivers on with the shout of the title, not on work and craft and skill but maybe because the last races are tyre chaos.
Im sorry I have read through this and I can't quite get the way I feel across without it sounding stupid.
"In F1 too many things overshadow the Racing" by Kimi
"Like DRS, soft tyres and "The Show"." by Me
15th May 12, 00:49 #234
Last year was terrific. A good balance of good/bad races, entertaining races and engrossing races with minimal overtaking.
This year merit has become an abstract concept.
How does one measure talent? 'Outdriving' a car ie. getting the maximum from the car - and doing it consistently week in week out has become a meaningless concept this year.
From another thread:
The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/status/301406167249326080
15th May 12, 07:03 #235
The "big" teams don't have the exclusive right to be at the front all the time, and if the likes of Williams and Sauber get their package right on a given weekend then I don't see anything wrong in that.
15th May 12, 07:46 #236
It is unfair to attribute the success Williams has experienced this season to how they have been managing the tyres.
Adam Parr did a huge amount of work towards the end of last year and the beginning of this one, turning things around. He has changed some of the old guard, streamlined the Grove team and brought in some very tallented personnel from rival teams.
There was also the strategic decision taken to drop Cosworth in favour of what is argueably the best engine out there; Renault.
What has happened at Williams is a much needed realignment of the team during the last couple of years that was accomplished by a creative Chairman and a team that deserves to be back at the top.
Is it so surprising?
15th May 12, 08:02 #237
(I wasn't going to mention specifics for obvious reasons... but yes )
15th May 12, 09:46 #238
I know this is the Prelli thread (one of 'em, anyway) but, in reference to DRS I'd say this;
Given how there appears to be more overtaking generally (look at some of Seb's and Lewis' moves in Spain) is this solely down to the tyres, or is DRS allowing a move to be set up by being able to stay with a car with less drag on the straights and then use your own better 'twisty bits - high downforce' setup to pass further round the lap.
Certainly, when only the McLaren team had a working F-Duct, they used it more to off-set a bigger wing angle, so had the best of both worlds on any given track?Opinions are like ar5eholes, everyone has one.
15th May 12, 09:55 #239Formula 1
15th May 12, 13:00 #240
It's all very well having different winners and good storylines like so called rise of Williams but the WDC is looking more and more tainted as the year progresses. It's less emphasis of being at the front winning/fighting for wins but more of who gets the best job of fighting/getting out of a midfield rut.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/status/301406167249326080