25th Mar 12, 16:33 #1
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I remember in 2006 when I thought this guy was special.
Six seasons later, and he's being outpaced by a guy who is almost 'middle aged'. In short, I'm not too convinced anymore.
What do we all think?
25th Mar 12, 16:42 #2
A very concise summing-up of my view, too. But I'm still unsure as to whether we've seen him in a car truly capable of winning a race in normal circumstances. This year's Merc blatantly isn't one either.
25th Mar 12, 17:08 #3
It is easy to beat a guy, when he is down and in a car that has no race performance to speak of. And as we have seen throughout years, driver performance can vary based on car characteristics. Nico hasn't covered himself in glory so far in '12, but it doesn't rule out the tide can turn in favourable circumstances.
25th Mar 12, 17:39 #4
He's been extremely consistent and he's looked more than capable of driving really fast for five years. I wouldn't slam him after two bad races in 2012.
Car characteristics must not be to his liking, though - he's been getting the better of Schumacher for two seasons, but so far, he's been behind him in the last two races, which might mean that this year's car isn't as well suited to him as it is to Schumi's driving. But I'm sure that Rosberg will manage to raise his level somehow and start pulling off better results.
25th Mar 12, 17:51 #5
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I'm sure he's pretty decent, and am absolutely not bashing him when he's 'down'. Ross Brawn and friends wouldn't have hired him if they didn't have faith and nor would he have outpaced Ol' Man Schumacher for the last two seasons.
What is concerning, though is that Schumacher appears to be on top of the MGP W03 and Rosberg is making mistakes (esp in qualifying or whilst being attacked by a quicker car). I would have imagined that with age on his side and the confidence of having beaten Schumacher since 2010, that he would be light years ahead. If anything, too, he's consistent, but I have yet to see any 'spectacular' drives/overtakes by him since 2006.
Sorry, I'm not going out of my way to wind anybody up, just discussing
25th Mar 12, 18:07 #6
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25th Mar 12, 18:58 #9
I like Nico, he seems like a nice guy and is clearly a very good driver, and can score podiums and regular points. But as said above has he yet been in a car which can actually challenge for wins.
That said in the races he has Qualified up front, he can sometimes look a bit too error prone.
I will be interested to see how he goes this season, if Mercedes can deal with their race pace issues."In F1 too many things overshadow the Racing" by Kimi
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25th Mar 12, 19:12 #10
Must say I'm a bit dissapointed with him so far this season, but the season is young, he has time to turn it around yet.Ha'wey Hamilton, bring the WDC crown home and the beers are on me
25th Mar 12, 20:37 #11
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Rosberg will never be a remarkable driver because he doesnt have any aggression inside him. He is usually overtaken easily without resistance by slower drivers/cars and very easily surrenders hunting others in front. He may cruise on the race and inherit others mistakes, but nothing more.
25th Mar 12, 21:43 #12
I'm sad to say he ain't looking to great now. Finishing almost 30sec down on Schu? Say what? Which driver was bumped down to the back early on? Exactly.
That does not smack of being on the same level as Vettel...
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25th Mar 12, 22:53 #13
As i have said before, F1 has come down to a guy having a certain level of talent. After that, it is more about the car set up, engine torque curves, et al, matching the exact best driving characteristics of the driver.
When they match, the car and the driver are ubeatable, even compared to a teamate. When not, the game is totally different
teamate comparisions are not that meaningful anymore.
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25th Mar 12, 23:47 #14
I never seem to notice him in races. Steady, boring, never overtakes. His days should be numbered.My top 3 Sports personalitys..
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25th Mar 12, 23:59 #16
I think I totally agree with this, when drivers say they feel a car well, that statement means a lot, button said before the race why he was slower then Hamilton in qualy, and that he knew exactly which corner and what he was doing wrong, but he couldn't improve. Michael has driven a lot of wet races so well (Canada most recently), but he was having hard time trying to go up, just like Button (a known good quantity in changing conditions), Hamilton who was also not able to do much, he was slower then both Perez and Alonso, Vettel who couldn't do much from where he was. I guess it boils down to the car setup and how much confidence does a driver have in his car. In Spain 96, Schumacher was said to be 5secs a lap faster then everyone else, or Donnigton, I think in those times Drivers talent meant much more, like in First Free practice almost all of last year, schumacher was always faster then Rosberg, but after setting the car up, Rosberg was faster in FP2/3 and qualy, only in Race Schumi was equal or better. And this year in quali even when Rosberg is ahead in a session its no more then a few tenths of tenths, unlike last year when it was between 2-3 tenths. Implying in raw talent Schumacher was always greater but half good with setting up what he wanted to not feeling the car well, perhaps the car was not in his taste, and maybe this year it is.
I also think in todays race most front running teams were geared for a dry setup, vs teams like Sauber and Ferrari betting on a wet race and consequently, with decent wet setups.
26th Mar 12, 00:29 #17
I've never rated him. Yes he's fast over a single lap, but IMHO he's always lacked in race craft.
Could I end up in the humble pie thread soon? Sure, it's possible, he could turn out to be another Button or Hakkinen, but I have a feeling that this guy is not WDC material and has always been over-rated.Iceman: Adjective 1)Rapid, swift 2)Nickname of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen, a legendary Formula 1 driver
26th Mar 12, 01:30 #18
People forget MB-AMG is just not good over a race stint.
First Vettel blew by then he was being passed left, right & centre by Kimi & co.
He's the new Webber/Button. Good/solid in a decent car but we won't know just how good he is unless he's in top machinery.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/status/301406167249326080
26th Mar 12, 01:44 #19
I grant you that the Merc is better in qualifying trim than it is in race, but is it this bad, or is it the drivers who are falling back during the race?
Schumacher is still a brilliant driver, but let's be honest, he's 43 now. It's not out of the realm of possibility that his race pace over a long weekend like Malaysia in hot and humid conditions is not as good as his qualifying pace. Which leaves us with Rosberg. And the fact that his race pace is even worse than Schumacher's leads me to think that his race craft is not that great (and he has never done anything to prove me otherwise, apart from his debut in Bahrain 2006 probably).
Again, I'm not saying that the car doesn't have problems. It certainly does, and it certainly is not as fact in race as it is in qualifying. But I think the car's problems are being confounded by its drivers.Iceman: Adjective 1)Rapid, swift 2)Nickname of Kimi-Matias Räikkönen, a legendary Formula 1 driver
26th Mar 12, 03:33 #20
It's a no-win situation for Nico:
If Nico beats Michael, then it's to be expected because 'Schumacher is 43 and not at his peak'. (Used a lot in 2010 and 2011)
If he doesn't, then it's still because 'Schumacher is 43 and not at his peak' - therefore Nico just isn't that good a driver.
These arguments will always exist so long as Mercedes has a car that doesn't have good race pace.