Amazing Alonso !

**kfzmeister** · 25th Jul 12, 03:40

Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini

The Boss would have put his rig where Button put his, I think he would have been hard to beat in Germany.

Who's The Boss? Ali G.?

And about you and i agreeing on something. I really don't keep score

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 25th Jul 12, 06:28

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

And about you and i agreeing on something. I really don't keep score

If not you wouldn't have mentioned anything about it!

**ArrowsFA1** · 25th Jul 12, 13:08

Alonso's Ferrari race engineer says Spaniard stands among best in F1 history - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

**wedge** · 25th Jul 12, 13:39

Originally Posted by F1boat

However, I think that yesterday McLaren had the fastest car

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

LOL!!! Yeah, sure.

Had Hamilton not pick up a puncture and sustain car damage it may well have been true.

**Robinho** · 26th Jul 12, 06:31

Whilst I'm pretty sure Alonso is driving amazingly at the moment, its very difficult to judge "how" good he is doing. Certainly in the early part of the season the car was a dog, at least in qually, but tended to improve in races, and Alonso got every bit out of it, but;

Is the Ferrari now the best (or equal to the best) and therefore Alonso is "only" doing what should be possible?
Is Massa's woeful showing Massa being poor and therefore making Alonso look incredible or is Alonso being incedible and making Massa look poor?

I'm inclined to think that Alonso is in the form of his life, but I think Massa's form is making him seem even better, and the other teams efforts to trip themselves up at every hurdle is helping - none of Alonso's victories have been particularly dominant, but he is the consistent factor (even in the early season) with different adversaries each time.

It is, however, very difficult to argue against him being the driver of the season so far, and equally hard to assert that the Ferrari is not now the car to beat

**pino** · 26th Jul 12, 07:12

No doubt that amazing Alonso is amazing

but I believe all this is a combination of his great talent and the big improvement of whole Ferrari Team starting from the many useless Italian pizza bakers (as ioan describes them) in the Team...well done Ferrari

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 26th Jul 12, 07:48

Originally Posted by pino

No doubt that amazing Alonso is amazing

but I believe all this is a combination of his great talent and the big improvement of whole Ferrari Team starting from the many useless Italian pizza bakers (as ioan describes them) in the Team...well done Ferrari

Snap

**Big Ben** · 26th Jul 12, 09:32

I would say that at the moment Alonso and Ferrari are the best combo out there... geeez.. I'm a freakin' genius, right?

... How much is due to the driver and how much is the car, who can tell? If that car is not the best it's not too far either. Only Schumi can win in a Minardi. All the others need a really fast, reliable car.

If you look back at Alonso's titles you can hardly say he won them in a dominant car. He spent most of those winning seasons in a defending position grabbing every point possible. And this year he's doing just that... making the most of it, exactly what a top driver is expected to do.... so yeah... best combo as I've said. Those who don't like the driver can praise the car and those who love the driver and don't care for the team can hype Alonso...

**odykas** · 26th Jul 12, 11:57

Originally Posted by Big Ben

. Only Schumi can win in a Minardi

Sure he can... if he's allowed to cheat!

**F1boat** · 26th Jul 12, 15:41

Originally Posted by odykas

Sure he can... if he's allowed to cheat!

cucumber!

**donKey jote** · 26th Jul 12, 22:26

Originally Posted by Big Ben

If you look back at Alonso's titles you can hardly say he won them in a dominant car. He spent most of those winning seasons in a defending position grabbing every point possible.

I disagree... Renault/Michelin were the dominant car. He spent most of those seasons in a defensive position as Fiarrari didn't like the situation and kept "clarifying" the tyres, the masss-dampers, etc to try and stop Schumi from retiring

**Mr Alca-Tazizzle** · 27th Jul 12, 00:09

Originally Posted by donKey jote

I disagree... Renault/Michelin were the dominant car. He spent most of those seasons in a defensive position as Fiarrari didn't like the situation and kept "clarifying" the tyres, the masss-dampers, etc to try and stop Schumi from retiring

Except 2005 there really wasn't a red pubic hair between the performance of McLaren, and Renault. In fact McLaren developed the faster car, however their achilles heel was the pizza delivery boys posing as Mechanic at Mercedes, and McLaren, leaving Montoya with busted up rigs and Kimi with engines ablaze.

Edit: Maybe you can tell me why Rafa pulled out of the Olympics because his nebulous excuse is lame, and I suspect his autism has got him on the verge of a nervous breakdown,

not a great 24 hours for Spain. First The USA put a severe beat down on the Gasol Bro's in Barcelona, and I won't mention the match with Japan because I know your boyz only play hard enough to
get out of group

"We will always have Paris and Scuderia Alonso"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-E2H1ChJM

**kfzmeister** · 29th Jul 12, 15:35

Alonso now 40 points clear of second man in the standings Webber.

**F1boat** · 29th Jul 12, 15:41

This isn't as much as it sounds...

**N4D13** · 29th Jul 12, 15:47

Alonso is in a much better position than we'd think. When he's good, it's because he's good, but when he's bad, it's because the car is a dog. :P

**kfzmeister** · 29th Jul 12, 16:01

Originally Posted by F1boat

This isn't as much as it sounds...

It sure is when you're the best at maximizing points every race.

**F1boat** · 29th Jul 12, 16:12

Yes, but the car is still not good enough. I hope that you are right, however, I'd be very happy if he wins his 3rd championship.

**jens** · 29th Jul 12, 21:57

Originally Posted by N4D13

Alonso is in a much better position than we'd think. When he's good, it's because he's good, but when he's bad, it's because the car is a dog. :P

Well, it helps if you beat your team-mate on every single occasion. Then nobody can blame you for having an off-day.

**tfp** · 29th Jul 12, 23:21

Originally Posted by Robinho

Whilst I'm pretty sure Alonso is driving amazingly at the moment, its very difficult to judge "how" good he is doing. Certainly in the early part of the season the car was a dog, at least in qually, but tended to improve in races, and Alonso got every bit out of it, but;

Is the Ferrari now the best (or equal to the best) and therefore Alonso is "only" doing what should be possible?
Is Massa's woeful showing Massa being poor and therefore making Alonso look incredible or is Alonso being incedible and making Massa look poor?

I'm inclined to think that Alonso is in the form of his life, but I think Massa's form is making him seem even better, and the other teams efforts to trip themselves up at every hurdle is helping - none of Alonso's victories have been particularly dominant, but he is the consistent factor (even in the early season) with different adversaries each time.

It is, however, very difficult to argue against him being the driver of the season so far, and equally hard to assert that the Ferrari is not now the car to beat

I agree word for word. Its difficult to gauge how well he is doing, but its plain to see his team mate is struggling a lot. this makes Alonso look good, and when he wins, he has won in a car thats a dog(apparently...), and when he has managed a top ten finish, hes maximised the cars performance(?). I am sure the Ferrari isnt nearly as bad as what many believe, what Fred is doing IMO isnt out of the reach of the rest of the front running drivers competing today.

**Hawkmoon** · 30th Jul 12, 04:16

Originally Posted by F1boat

This isn't as much as it sounds...

I agree. The Ferrari was considerably slower than the Lotus, McLaren and Red Bull in Hungary and probably not much quicker than the Williams. The only reason Alonso increased his championship lead is because McLaren and Red Bull had brain farts in regards to the strategies of Button and Webber respectively. Without that Alonso finishes 7th and Webber cuts his points lead.

Ferrari are going to need to improve the F2012 quite a bit if Alonso is to take the title. Sure he has a 40 point lead but there are 225 points on offer. The only thing in Alonso's favour at the moment is that nobody else has consistently been able to score big points. Sooner or later Red Bull and McLaren are going to make a call on which driver they want to back for the title and if the Ferrari isn't on par then Alonso will be a sitting duck, not matter how well he is driving.