Thread: Felipe Massa

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

This! I always thought that argument was weak.

It was a good excuse at the time for people trying to justify his pace. Fact is, he needs constant help, encouragement and threats to make him perform to a required level. I have never heard a driver being cajouled so much during a GP as Massa is.

Lmao, swimming with the fishes....

Without taking the thread off track, Pino knows what I'm on about Sorry, private joke

Originally Posted by Knock-on

It was a good excuse at the time for people trying to justify his pace. Fact is, he needs constant help, encouragement and threats to make him perform to a required level. I have never heard a driver being cajouled so much during a GP as Massa is.

Did he need constant help when he came within a point of winning a WDC? In his first three years with Ferrari he finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the WDC standings (not in that order though). Before the accident in 2009 he was probably equal to or ahead of Kimi in the points.

Since the accident the best he has done is 6th, with Alonso being very close to the WDC in points at the end of one season, and having over twice the points that Felipe did in other seasons,

I can find evidence that he has not maintained the gap to his team mates since after the accident, but have a hard time finding evidence that his driving was just as good. If you've got that evidence I'd like to see where it's at.

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

This! I always thought that argument was weak.

How is the argument weak? Look at some of his qualifying laps from 2008 and tell me, how can they be compared to his current level.

It is like saying the Button, who was stuck behind Caterham's Kovalainen at Monaco, is as good as the Button, who finished second in WDC standings last year. Or the Vettel, who got record amount of pole positions last year, was as good when he qualified 11th in China.

Felipe Massa praises "incredible" Ferrari team-mate Fernando Alonso - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Well, it sounds to me like Massa is in awe of his team mate and has no answer. I could have told him that.

Massa has the option of being Alonsos puppy or getting out of Ferrari.

He might as well give it full banannas now, as he ain't staying there for next year.

Shame whats happened to Felipe, hope he can get a drive somewhere and have a decent end to his career.

Originally Posted by jens

How is the argument weak? Look at some of his qualifying laps from 2008 and tell me, how can they be compared to his current level.

Indeed. Massa of now is a joke compared to who he was in 2008.

Spa and Monza will be crucial races for Massa future...eventhough many at Ferrari wants Luca to reconfirm him

I hope when (It is inevitable) Massa is replaced, Freds new team mate will be allowed to chase for the win if he gets the opportunity.
Will Perez have the ferrari seat next year?

^^^ That’s a good question. It appeared that Ferrari cooled on him earlier in the season.
Remember this:

However, the 22-year-old has subsequently stated that while he is "very comfortable" at Sauber, he wants "to win races as soon as possible.

"That, though, won't be with Ferrari next season as di Montezemolo has poured cold water over the suggestion.

"No," the Italian told Reuters. "Perez is a good driver but to drive a Ferrari you need more experience

I’ve been backing Felipe's play, but enough is enough, It's over. I think they need to reevaluate Perez.

Adrian Sutil makes sense for Massa's seat. People have been quietly talking about him in the background.
He's fast, will undoubtedly get Ferrari points and is no threat to Alonso.

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

Slash makes sense for Massa's seat. People have been quietly talking about him in the background.
He's fast, will undoubtedly get Ferrari points and is no threat to Alonso.

Their fixed that for you!
BTW +1

Originally Posted by tfp

I hope when (It is inevitable) Massa is replaced, Freds new team mate will be allowed to chase for the win if he gets the opportunity.
Will Perez have the ferrari seat next year?

I rather hope it's Kamui. I think that Kamui would be able to make that Ferrari sing better than either Massa or Perez.

Originally Posted by kfzmeister

Adrian Sutil makes sense for Massa's seat. People have been quietly talking about him in the background.
He's fast, will undoubtedly get Ferrari points and is no threat to Alonso.

The Slasher? No threat to Alonso? Are you forgetting what he did to Eric Lux?

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

The Slasher? No threat to Alonso? Are you forgetting what he did to Eric Lux?

He'll be the perfect teammate to take points off Alonso's biggest rival!! I've heard that they don't like each other much since the slasher incident!

Originally Posted by Rollo

I rather hope it's Kamui. I think that Kamui would be able to make that Ferrari sing better than either Massa or Perez.

Me too. I'd LOVE to see the Kob in a front running car. He deserves it more than Massa at the minute!

Originally Posted by tfp

Me too. I'd LOVE to see the Kob in a front running car. He deserves it more than Massa at the minute!

I really don't know if Perez deserves the seat or not, or if he is or isn't good enough to be in a high caliber team (but then again, I also don't know why anyone already in F1 would want to be someone's #2 by decree), but after today's race, I can say that Kobayashi doesn't seem to deserve the seat more than his team member.

Kobayashi has no podiums in 53 F1 starts, Perez, in 30 starts (all of them in the same car as Kobayashi) has 3 podiums, not to mention the 30 more points he has over Kobayashi this year.

After the first podium, one could argue Perez was just lucky with a very good strategy from his team, after two podiums, one could argue that maybe Perez was just lucky and Kobayashi had suffered from bad luck this year, but after 3 podiums from one and none from the other, maybe luck has nothing to do it with it.

Maybe Perez is not ready, maybe he is not good enough, maybe he is and we will see him as Ferrari's #2, but after 13 races, if this season is any indication, he is not deserving or at least not as deserving as his team mate of a seat in a high caliber team.

Felipe done a good job for Ferrari this weekend. Fair play to him, however i dont see it being enough to save his seat unless Ferrari cant find anyone else to play lap dog to Alonso

Ferrari is set to announce that Felipe Massa is staying with the famous Italian team in 2013.

Intense speculation has surrounded the future of the Brazilian, who since 2010 has struggled to shine alongside his highly rated teammate Fernando Alonso.

But in an article by veteran correspondent Roger Benoit, the Swiss newspaper Blick said the 31-year-old is staying put in the wake of his recent form surge.

Still just a rumor, although FM has upped his game a little recently.

I still think he will get the boot and be saved by the welcoming arms of Peter Sauber. It may be what he needs to return to form.