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22nd Mar 12, 17:04 #42
IMO Button, Vettel and Alonso scored big wins over their teammates in Melbourne, Raikkonen and M Schumacher got early advantage over their teammates. Maldonado also put himself in better position than Senna. In the rest of teams things seemed to be pretty even for me.Formula 1
22nd Mar 12, 20:02 #43
22nd Mar 12, 22:28 #44
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22nd Mar 12, 23:23 #45Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam
15th Apr 12, 17:28 #46
Three races into the season. Perhaps the first overview can be made. We have some very close and exciting battles going on.
Hamilton v Button. Well, this is continually exciting and there is a lot at stake, as those two drivers seem to be main contenders for the WDC for now! Their roles seem a bit reversed so far in 2012. By this I mean Hamilton is very consistent (triple 3rd) with Button getting better results, but one virtual DNF in the process too. But it is still hard to predict, how will it get played out. Last year at the same time Hamilton seemed the favourite, because he was faster in the early part of the season, but later the tables turned. But I have to say that the last two races haven’t taken place in particularly favourable conditions (cold) for Jenson, yet he has shown decent pace.
Webber v Vettel. So far Webber has found a marginal advantage, particularly in qualifying. I think it can be expected that sometime during the season Vettel adapts to the car properly and hence is still likely to come out on top. But it is closer (like in 09/10) than 2011 for sure.
Alonso v Massa. Not much to talk about here. Only question is whether this is going to be as thorough beating as Rosberg/Nakajima (2009) and R.Schumacher/Zanardi (1999) or Felipe can redeem himself a bit.
Pérez v Kobayashi. Still close. In terms of points Sergio got a bit of an advantage in Malaysia (where Kamui’s car had problems), but it looks like in terms of performance they are close and as long as Sauber is fast, it shall be exciting. One impression I have got is that Pérez can conserve his tyres to longer stints. Perhaps it will pay off.
Rosberg v Schumacher. I believe at this age Rosberg has a bit more raw speed in his pocket than Schumacher. And in conditions, where tyres held together, it showed. But let’s see, how does the Mercedes perform during the rest of the season and whether it plays to Schumi’s strengths.
Räikkönen v Grosjean. As China showed, there was little between them in race pace too. But based on Romain’s career so far I have to admit that he can be an erratic driver, even if managed to be consistent and dominant in his GP2 title season. So consistency might bring more points to Kimi in the end, even if speed-wise it is close.
Senna v Maldonado. I have to admit Senna has surprised me this year. I didn’t expect him to be that fast in race trim, but he has had two good races in a row. Let’s see, how can he keep it up.
Di Resta v Hülkenberg. So far di Resta has outraced Hülkenberg. Oz qualifying showed that if the stars align, Hülkenberg can find real speed, but consistency is still not there yet.
Vergne v Ricciardo. In qualis Vergne seems to struggle (compared to Ricciardo), but is more competitive in races and so far can’t say anything conclusive.
Kovalainen v Petrov. Hard to say, because Heikki seems to have hit trouble in every race so far. I think the Finn has a slight pace-advantage, but Petrov seems close. Closer than Trulli was.
Glock v Pic. You could replace Pic with di Grassi or d’Ambrosio and not notice any difference at all. Same story with Timo being in front.
De la Rosa v Karthikeyan. Battle of veterans, where – as expected – Pedro is a bit faster.
Let’s see, what does the rest of the season bring.
16th Apr 12, 19:15 #47
3rd Jun 12, 09:57 #48
Three more races gone and another overview. It has to be said that situations in several teams have changed during the past few races. It only adds to the intrigue of what is going to happen next as the competition can change a lot in F1 very quickly!
Vettel v Webber. This one looks very much like 2010 now. Both were tied on points in 2010 after six races and are now again! Difference is that Vettel isn’t suffering from reliability issues like he did in 2010. Surprisingly Webber is owning Vettel in qualifying (more than ever before, it has to be said!), the Australian should have outqualified the German in Spain too, but he didn’t go out in Q2. I remember, when Webber had a good string of form in 2010 (3 poles in a row in the second quarter of the season). Let’s see, how long can he manage it this time and more crucially, when will Vettel overcome his qualifying woes. The Vettel of 2011 has appeared only once this season - when he took pole in the dying minutes of Bahrain qualifying, which was his copyright performance of 2011. He needs to start replicating this in less than very hot conditions as well.
Hamilton v Button. Meantime the game has changed here. From virtual „tie” Hamilton has gained a clear advantage. It remains to be seen, how quickly can Button overcome his troubles (especially qualifying) and it could still be interesting if Button can soon return to what he is capable of doing best – good consistent driving with lots of points.
Alonso v Massa. The Brazilian has slightly improved and has been capable of following Alonso in a couple of races. Even though the ‚battle’ has been as well as won by Alonso already, it remains to be seen if the Brazilian can at least outrace the Spaniard on occasion.
Räikkönen v Grosjean. This is where the same story carries on. In qualifying trim there is little to choose between them, but in race trim the more experienced Finn has been slightly more impressive and crucially reliable.
Rosberg v Schumacher. Considering the unluck Schumi has been suffering, it may seem unfair to draw a significant comparison here. Points-wise Rosberg has as well as won this battle, but speed-wise he still has to take Schumi into account every weekend.
Maldonado v Senna. Senna had a good start into the season, but his performance has dropped since then with Maldonado gaining upper hand again. The Brazilian can perform well from time to time, but despite his mistakes the Venezuelan seems more ‚electric’ and more capable of ultimate peak performances.
Pérez v Kobayashi. It is close in points and I think this reflects their general performance compared to each other as well. Sadly the run of results has been quite inconsistent for the team.
Di Resta v Hülkenberg. I get the impression Hülkenberg has improved in the last few races, but di Resta still has a slight advantage over the German returnee.
Vergne v Ricciardo. The main conclusion I can make of this very inexperienced duo so far: Ricciardo seems better over a single lap, Vergne seems better in racing. Let’s see, how will they manage to cement these reputations during the rest of the season.
Kovalainen v Petrov. Now have to say that in the grand scheme of things there is no difference whether it is Petrov or Trulli in the car. Kovalainen still comes out on top.
Glock v Pic and de la Rosa v Karthikeyan. Don’t think anything new can be recorded here either. Advantage to Glock and de la Rosa.
3rd Jun 12, 16:39 #49
A very good analysis Jens. As for:
Originally Posted by Jens
It's easy to argue that they always have been in place since Alonso joined the team, but I won't get into an argument about water under the bridge. The thing about Felipe is I actually believe he has more raw speed than any driver with the possible exception of Lewis and Kimi. Massa has had slow starts in the past and righted the ship. I now fully expect him to find his form again. I also believe that we can put the idea of lingering effects of his injury to bed. JMHO
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3rd Jun 12, 17:20 #50
I met him in '04 , at a winey/cheesy thing , and he was more nervous about the crowd than the crowd was about meeting him .
Timo Glock was there , too , and happy to smile with fans , but Felipe was vibrating too nervously to be kept in camera frame .
When he's focussed , he's fast , but seems like it's been a while since he's been focussed on the task at hand .
You know what he really needs ?
He needs to talk some good smack , about Sergio , or Rubens , or anyone else nominated in the musical chair rumour lottery around his seat , really , so he can generate some fire ."No pen , no pen ." -what Sato said to me .
3rd Jun 12, 17:48 #51Those who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
3rd Jun 12, 19:04 #52Those who believe in telekinetics raise my hand.
4th Jun 12, 01:05 #53
And , you can class Kimi at the other end of the self-confidence scale .
Smedley needs to fire his driver up , and a smug retort to a good smack-down on one of these punks might boil that Latin blood a little and make him forget that he was an almost champion .
It looks like he thinks that was his only chance , but he needs to remember that , Alonso or no Alonso , he still drives a red car ."No pen , no pen ." -what Sato said to me .
4th Jun 12, 03:42 #54
And , you can class Kimi at the other end of the self-confidence scale.
a smug retort to a good smack-down on one of these punks might boil that Latin blood a little and make him forget that he was an almost champion .
However I respect your opinion
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25th Nov 12, 19:32 #55
So time to make some conclusions in this thread as well.
Vettel v Webber: Mark could keep up with Seb for half a year this time, but was left very clearly behind in the end. To be frank, Webber had quite a fair amount of unluck at the second half of the season too. Only 6th in the final standings, while Vettel is 1st – position-wise almost as far back as Kovalainen was in 2008 to the WDC, but also shows, how close it was at the front of the field!
Alonso v Massa: in contrast to the RBR team battle Massa really got his act together for the second half of the season and since Belgium collected almost as many points as Alonso. I don’t know, why haven’t we seen this kind of Felipe for almost three years, but it would be so much better for F1 if we could keep racing like that for the whole of 2013.
Hamilton v Button: looking at their at times rather contrasting performances, it is quite incredible that in the end the gap is only 2 points! But it is fair to say that Hamilton suffered significantly more unluck this year. As has been the story of Jenson’s career – even if he doesn’t shine, he still somehow manages to collect a decent amount of points together.
Räikkönen v Grosjean: shame about Grosjean’s lack of racecraft, because this is really what put him that far behind Räikkönen in the points, while in terms of outright speed there was little between them. One can only hope that Romain becomes more consistent in 2013 and can actually challenge Kimi properly then. In any case a great comeback season by Kimi - I felt in the second half of the season he managed to get properly back in the groove, which is where the points gap between him and Romain increased to a really big margin.
Rosberg v Schumacher: like the McLaren team battle, points skew the picture of their performance somewhat. Overall there was little between them, with even a slight argument in favour of Michael. A couple of weekends aside, Nico has been sort of underwhelming since the introduction of Pirelli tyres. And this year he wasn’t particularly impressive in qualifying either, which used to be his forte.
Pérez v Kobayashi: I still believe Sergio has slightly more potential of the two, but he really turned into a Grosjean-Maldonado-type erratic driver in the last third of the season, having a collision in almost every race. As a result Kamui managed to collect almost as many points as the Mexican in the end. But their fates for the future are rather contrasting – one guy to McLaren, another one out of F1. Sort of like Heidfeld was left out of F1 after 2009 despite matching highly-rated Kubica.
Hülkenberg v di Resta: Di Resta started out stronger, but as the season developed, Hulk started emerging in front more and more clearly. The Brazilian race was like an indication of how impressive Hulk can really be if he is fully in the comfort zone in the car. Hopefully we will see much more of that in the future.
Maldonado v Senna: points gap is much smaller than the outright pace difference of the two indicated. But Maldonado showed some real speed – shame he threw so many points away. Senna – well, I have to say that I have hardly seen a driver struggling so badly in a basically really good car. In a car, which on many occasions was fighting in top6, he could barely make it past Q1 and at best could get a point or two in the race – even those through attrition.
Vergne v Ricciardo: even though points ended in favour of Vergne, I feel Ricciardo was slightly more impressive... and Daniel became a strong racer at the end of the season too. Though Jean-Eric managed to improve his qualifying, he was still behind Daniel more often than not.
Kovalainen v Petrov: qualifying in favour of Kovalainen. In the race there was little between them.
Glock v Pic: I think over a full season Glock was perhaps slightly better, but the gap is really small. And perhaps Pic was slightly closer to Timo than di Grassi and d’Ambrosio had previously been.
de la Rosa v Karthikeyan. The Spaniard came out on top, but Narain wasn’t too far behind on several occasions.
26th Nov 12, 11:15 #56
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Interesting analysis Jens. It seems we've had quite a chaotic and eventful season, and in several of those battles you can see an ability to stay out of trouble has been of particular value this year.
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26th Nov 12, 12:52 #58
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Pretty accurate IMO Jens
26th Nov 12, 20:03 #60
I always really liked Heidfeld, I thought he was a decent guy and was a good points driver. I always wondered where that consistancy would have gotten him in a top car. Something along the lines of Jenson I suppose"In F1 too many things overshadow the Racing" by Kimi
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