Thread: OK, hand's up those who weren't expecting this

Originally Posted by Daniel

I said I'd ignore you but I'll bite.

Is it arrogant not to want to bang your head against a wall?

I also don't agree that a champion needs to be an asshole. Take Sebastien Loeb for example. You'll not find a more respectful and decent guy in motorsport other than by the looks of it Sebastien Vettel Chris Atkinson is also another motorsport nice guy. He's not a champion but I don't think his issues have anything to do with him being too nice

well ya I know..but we only get to know them how they are when they are doin there job..not how they are in there personal lifes ? Look at Max...would you ever had thought he was into those kinda things fe ? hehe ;-)

I am more into rallying myself btw ;-)

Originally Posted by Daniel

Anyway back to ignoring you

lol..hehe..shut uppppppp.. ;-)

Originally Posted by Daniel

"If it had rained we woulda won" was exactly what Lewis said.

well he was the fasted at that moment....But ok..maybe he should have said..i might have won ! ;-) But again..I like him for what he does on track and care less for what he does or says off-track....although I am pretty jealous of his girlfriend ! :-)))

Originally Posted by Daniel

I also don't agree that a champion needs to be an asshole.

I think it's a real shame that this view persists, both in sport and business. I remember a few years ago reading an interview with Andy Priaulx when he started in the BTCC with Honda. He said his biggest fault was being 'too nice and letting people walk all over me', or words to that effect. Struck me as being an unusual response for a sportsman.

Unfortunately, I think the existence of the view that 'successful = having to be a ****' is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It turns people who are trying to be successful into ****s, because they think they ought to be. One sees this in those bosses who act in a certain way towards their staff because, basically, they can, rather than engendering a culture of mutual respect. In sportspeople, it's a great shame that we see the sort of mannerisms we see in Hamilton and, to a greater extent, Andy Murray, because these are successful British people who ought not to turn people off.

Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think it's a real shame that this view persists, both in sport and business. I remember a few years ago reading an interview with Andy Priaulx when he started in the BTCC with Honda. He said his biggest fault was being 'too nice and letting people walk all over me', or words to that effect. Struck me as being an unusual response for a sportsman.

Unfortunately, I think the existence of the view that 'successful = having to be a ****' is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It turns people who are trying to be successful into ****s, because they think they ought to be. One sees this in those bosses who act in a certain way towards their staff because, basically, they can, rather than engendering a culture of mutual respect. In sportspeople, it's a great shame that we see the sort of mannerisms we see in Hamilton and, to a greater extent, Andy Murray, because these are successful British people who ought not to turn people off.

I've worked with those same people *shakes head*

Thankfully nice guys like Andy do get ahead in life and make a success of it.

Originally Posted by BDunnell

I would tend to agree with this, but you can get a fairly good idea in many cases.



Not sure I'd go along with that. While there are probably certain character traits that are common to successful sportspeople, I doubt you'd find many people who would describe Jim Clark as 'a bit of an asshole', for example.

Yup. My dad's friends wife knew Jim Clark and said he was a lovely guy

Originally Posted by Tonieke

well ya I know..but we only get to know them how they are when they are doin there job..not how they are in there personal lifes ? Look at Max...would you ever had thought he was into those kinda things fe ? hehe ;-)

I am more into rallying myself btw ;-)



lol..hehe..shut uppppppp.. ;-)

Please do make some sort of attempt to construct proper sentences and use proper English please....

I don't get why you could be jealous of Hamilton's girlfriend. Don't get me wrong I'm sure he's probably a nice person but there are more attractive guys out there in F1 and motorsport in general. Webber, Vettel, Bourdais and Kimi to name but a few. It's like Hollywood, everyone goes on about how gorgeous these people are but if a lot of them didn't have 2 hours of makeup on and weren't famous they'd just be another person on the street that you wouldn't look at twice. Sarah Jessica "horseface" Parker springs to mind......

But that has nothing to do with Lewis, my opinion about him or this thread so I'll not mention it again but I just thought I'd mention it as you said it

[QUOTE=Tonieke;532243]is he arrogant because he say all the time he's great or he's the best ?..maybe..maybe not...QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

While there are probably certain character traits that are common to successful sportspeople, I doubt you'd find many people who would describe Jim Clark as 'a bit of an asshole', for example.

Nor a number of other very successful drivers, people like Gurney, Bruce maclaren, Dennis Hulme, Mario Andretti (who was always very nice to me) but in the last few years, there is something of a tendency to find more drivers than not with that quality...

Originally Posted by Daniel

After what BDunnell said I just watched Hamilton's post race interview and you have to say that Lewis not knowing who had won the race was pretty bad and stating that he would have won the race if they'd had rain was pretty arrogant

Yes that was very rude and arrogant, as in which sebastian won and so on....would have won (sounds like classic sour grapes from a spoiled child).....and on and on.

If he were truly properly PR trained, then I think he would not do it. But he goes ahaed and does it anyway.

Whatever happenned to "proud in defeat and humble in victory"--sounds more like SV must have a bit more of a clue on that point.

Such interview answers are particularly curious coming from a McLaren-groomed driver, as we all know how carefull they are (try to be? ) in their PR.

Although now that I think about it, the "we would have won" is standard in every McLaren statement

Originally Posted by Daniel

Please do make some sort of attempt to construct proper sentences and use proper English please....

Originally Posted by Daniel

It's like Hollywood, everyone goes on about how gorgeous these people are but if a lot of them didn't have 2 hours of makeup on and weren't famous they'd just be another person on the street that you wouldn't look at twice. Sarah Jessica "horseface" Parker springs to mind......

i don't believe it.

i'm agreeing with daniel TWICE in the one post!

Originally Posted by ioan

I'm not surprised at all.

Me neither. This kind of thread has become all too predictable.

Again Hamilton is being bashed for things he didn't say. He didn't say he would have won. He said "if it had kept raining" he feels "pretty confident I probably could have even won".

No arrows he said we WOULD have won. Those were his exact words.

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Me neither. This kind of thread has become all too predictable.

I agree, for positivity is a rare commodity around here these days, but even I was moved to agree with the criticism on this occasion, and in the past I've considered it unjustified.

Originally Posted by Daniel

No arrows he said we WOULD have won. Those were his exact words.

Well you're obviously getting those from somewhere else. I'm commenting on the quotes posted by ioan at the start of the thread.

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Well you're obviously getting those from somewhere else. I'm commenting on the quotes posted by ioan at the start of the thread.

He said it on ITV. On free to air TV. I don't care what Ioan said. Lewis said "If it had rained we woulda won" end of story.

If Autosport are quoting the interview Lewis did on ITV they are very much guilty of misquoting him.

I've watched it about 5 times now with Sky+ and there is no doubt as to what he said....

Originally Posted by Daniel

Please do make some sort of attempt to construct proper sentences and use proper English please....

I don't get why you could be jealous of Hamilton's girlfriend. Don't get me wrong I'm sure he's probably a nice person but there are more attractive guys out there in F1 and motorsport in general. Webber, Vettel, Bourdais and Kimi to name but a few. It's like Hollywood, everyone goes on about how gorgeous these people are but if a lot of them didn't have 2 hours of makeup on and weren't famous they'd just be another person on the street that you wouldn't look at twice. Sarah Jessica "horseface" Parker springs to mind......

But that has nothing to do with Lewis, my opinion about him or this thread so I'll not mention it again but I just thought I'd mention it as you said it

I give up on you daniel..i always tried to stay nice to you or anyone else..but there's a bunch of people out here (including you) that just can't stand if anyone has another view on things than there own..or when u are fan of a Certain Lewis hamilton u are just a dumb..who knows nadah about motorsports..who can't speak proper English etc etc etc.... !

Perish the thought that the media might misquote, or produce a misleading headline

Whatever, even if he did say "would" I just don't get what all the fuss is about. It can't be proved or disproved either way. The fact was he did move up the field quickly and raced a strong race.

Sebastian Bourdais suggested he might have finished third but for his problem at the start, but I don't see the same criticism levelled at him for suggesting such a thing. Felipe Massa said "In normal conditions, in other words in the dry, I think I could have made it to the podium" and his words escape any sort of negative comment.

Face it, these are the kind of things all drivers say when faced with the press immediately after a race.

That's because there is an element of self doubt in their comments which is how it should be. Not cocksure comments like those made by Lewis.

Originally Posted by Daniel

That's because there is an element of self doubt in their comments which is how it should be. Not cocksure comments like those made by Lewis.

U could have expected that kinda reply Arrows....They just can't say anything positive about Lewis...