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    Quote Originally Posted by Valve Bounce View Post
    Here's the link: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=33605

    I think he should look into himself and his father Anthony and carefully consider wherre it all started. When he was bouncing off the armco at Monaco and told to slow down and follow Fernando home, he started to complain. There is no way he could have passed Fernando even if he didn't stack the car into the armco trying to catch him.

    Then it was his father who complained to the FIA in Hungary. I reckon Ron Dennis should have stepped before all that, and pulled Hamilton into line.

    I think Hamilton is far from the young innocent rookie boy wonder that he and his father like to paint him as. And, in the final analysis, it cost Ron Dennis the WCC, the WDC and a whole lot of money.
    ahh man this is what I hate about the offseason.. theres nothing to talk about but the obvious
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    Quote Originally Posted by raikk View Post
    ahh man this is what I hate about the offseason.. theres nothing to talk about but the obvious

    OK!! so you can start something that would keep us here to discuss. Anything that is not contentious doesn't seem to attract any response - it seems the whole forum has hibernated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1 View Post
    Martin Whitmarsh - 06/12/07

    Later in the article Autosport quote Whitmarsh as saying "Let's be frank, he is already" [a leader].

    Not quite an announcement as such, just a recognition that by his performances last year, his talent, and his long-term relationship with McLaren Hamilton is now in a position to be the figurehead that the likes of Prost and Senna were before him at the team.

    However, as Alonso found, if your McLaren team-mate proves as quick if not quicker than you then they will be given every opportunity to show their ability. Kovalianen and Hamilton will make a great team, and a far less political team, and that can only be good for McLaren.

    So you do really think that Kovalainen is going to be allowed to race Hamilton on equal terms??? That is funny, cause at the end of last seasson I could not see that (two drivers riding the same car). So I do not expect that for 2008.

    Hamilton is the team leader and Kova will play the lapdog roll weather he likes it or not. THee fact is while last year I did not see an statement from Fernando claiming he was the team leader, this year i have seen a copule already stating Hamilton is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuratt View Post
    So you do really think that Kovalainen is going to be allowed to race Hamilton on equal terms???
    It think McLaren will give them both an equal opportunity to perform to their best.
    Quote Originally Posted by samuratt View Post
    THee fact is while last year I did not see an statement from Fernando claiming he was the team leader
    I don't think Fernando ever felt he needed to point that out. As 2xWDC he simply expected it to be the case, rather like Piquet at Williams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1 View Post

    I don't think Fernando ever felt he needed to point that out. As 2xWDC he simply expected it to be the case, rather like Piquet at Williams.
    Come to think of it - I don't remember Ron Dennis ever pointing it out either. But then, my memory needs defragging.
    But I doubt very much that Jr expects to be team leader at Renault this year.
    Hey!! I thought Jr is driving at Renault
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valve Bounce View Post
    Hey!! I thought Jr is driving at Renault
    86/87 - Mansell & Piquet. Piquet (Nelson Sr) was the WDC, and Nige the up and coming Brit......

    Funny how no-one saw NM/NP that as a problem, but with Lewis and FA at McLaren it is all a big hoo ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valve Bounce View Post
    Then it was his father who complained to the FIA in Hungary.
    Proof of that, please?

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    Let's start again. Why don't the two of you read the lead post and the link before you reply?

    If you have already, then why not engage your brain to your PC before you reply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuratt View Post
    So you do really think that Kovalainen is going to be allowed to race Hamilton on equal terms??? That is funny, cause at the end of last seasson I could not see that (two drivers riding the same car). .
    How was alonso not allowed to race Hamilton on equal terms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tamburello View Post
    Just out of interest, when Hakkinen & Coulthard were partnered at Mclaren, and indeed when Kimi & JPM were there, did any of the Mclaren head-honchos or the drivers announce that one was 'Team Leader'?

    It's my guess that by announcing that Hamilton is de-facto 'Team Leader' Mclaren are making a clear statement that it is Hamilton and Hamilton alone who will be racing for the championship should the 2008 Mclaren be capable.

    After fecking up in 2007 in such a big way, even I can't really blame them.....although neither am I surprised by the less-than-straight way in which they have announced it.

    Oh, and have Ferrari said who their 'Team Leader' is?

    I don't see any team that would state a team leader is the only in contention for the championship. I think it's simply more of stating that the person is question has proven abilities and the team expects more of them, in race results, car development, etc.

    Hamilton choked at the end of last years season. I would seriously doubt that they will put all work into him if in fact his new team mate performs well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker View Post
    How was alonso not allowed to race Hamilton on equal terms?
    Weeeellll duhhhh...and Wilko as in Wilko wonders why i repeat myself.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker View Post
    How was alonso not allowed to race Hamilton on equal terms?
    If you remember the last three races of 2007, Fernando was constantly half a second a lap slower than Hamilton. Do you think there such a difference between the drivers??? Fernando claimed that tyres preassures were not correct. And if you remember Brasil, Fernando was on a car that was almost 1sec per lap slower than Hamilton's. I have no proof to offer you, what it was clear (at least to me) that Fernando was not allowed (by McLaren) to prevent Hamilton from being WDC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markabilly View Post
    and Wilko as in Wilko
    10/10 Good work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samuratt View Post
    And if you remember Brasil, Fernando was on a car that was almost 1sec per lap slower than Hamilton's.
    I doubt that it was the car he drove slowly without rhyme.

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    If Hamilton wants less politics this year then maybe he should cause less politics.
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