Thread: What did Apple actually invent?

Just remembered this one:

Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard - YouTube

PS: It is just a joke, but a rather good one!

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Apple may source flash memory from elsewhere, but for a fact every iPhone 4S runs a Samsung manufactured A5 processor and LCD panels. So, the point about two 4S' having components from entirely different suppliers is wrong.

It was merely an example, some components are from one manufacturer, some are from more. In any case the A5 is manufactured by Samsung, but with an Apple design based on components designed by ARM.

Originally Posted by henners88

I can only repeat what has been said many, many times on various threads. Apple have never set out to be like every other phone manufacturer by supplying products that everybody can have. Apple base their price around the software rather than the hardware and trust people are buying into their system rather than the pure product design. Millions of people buy their phones because they enjoy the simplicity of iOS and I dare say some enjoy having it because its an iPhone. That is natural with any brand including Samsung. A reputation has been built up and desirability is there and this isn't based on hardware alone as many point out. There is no other manufacturer that can offer iOS on a mobile phone which is why Apple have the ability to price their products higher and supply a percentage of the market that are willing to pay for what they believe is a very nice product. Samsung also produce very nice products and I am very happy with the 3 TV's, and microwave I presently own. The Samsung S3 is by far the best mobile phone presently on the market IMO and many people are buying it due to its decent spec and very affordable cost. Fantastic.

I'm not trying to convince you Apple produce anything as good as Samsung and I doubt you would listen to it. I suppose for the sake of keeping this thread on topic I would say Apple have invented the iPhone. A phone that pushed all other manufacturers to up their game and have forced the market to become very competitive. A phone that was the idea of Apple, like the car industry, components manufactured by many, but delivered and highly desirable. They've also forged opinions where people have chosen to be pro-Apple, anti Apple in there consumer choices or like me pretty open to anything as long as I enjoy using it. They've 'helped' invent the new age of mobile devices and the way it has headed.

I recently upgraded my PC with a new gen graphic card, a 3 terabyte hard drive and a 2 ms 24 inch monitor. ALL for less than the price of an iPad 3. So, no, as a person who knows what to do with his computers, IMO Apple's markup is ridiculous.

We can go around in circles and have long ass posts debating back and forth, but nobody's opinions are gonna change. So, why waste time?

Originally Posted by Mark

It was merely an example, some components are from one manufacturer, some are from more.

Yes, but two iPhone 4S' cannot have processors and LCD panels built by two entirely different manufacturers. They are manufactured by Samsung. Apple also buys NAND flash memory from Samsung, a key component in every iPhone and iPad, which would lead me to believe every iPhone 4S also has flash memory made by Samsung.

Originally Posted by Mark

In any case the A5 is manufactured by Samsung, but with an Apple design based on components designed by ARM.

I am not debating that.

Originally Posted by henners88

I didn't mean to come across as a fanboy

Originally Posted by henners88

Spotted this on my morning read and thought it may be of interest here but am not suggesting value has anything to do with who is best amongst rivals etc:


BBC News - Apple becomes the most valuable company of all time

You know, henners, I have discussed these things with a lot of Apple "fanboys" over the years, and they all return to the argument of how much money Apple is making and how profitable their business is. At least they admit they are fanboys, just as I don't have a problem with being labeled a hater.

Originally Posted by henners88

I think the part you chose to bold is the operative part of your post. If its all about hardware for you and nothing else, then you are right. Lets face it, you will never attempt to try and see the perspective of somebody who doesn't neccessarily buy a product based on purely hardware so it really is a waste of time to discuss this further on that basis.

Oh boy, this is only going around in circles.

One last time: No, it is not just about hardware for me. I believe Android is a better OS than Apple's iOS. And I also believe Windows 7 is a better OS than Mac OS X.

Since I like to upgrade my PC components regularly, I don't understand why Mac doesn't give me that option, for a higher price.

Since I like to play a lot of games on PC, Mac just doesn't make sense, because their library of developers is puny, again, for a higher price.

So, in any way, shape or form, Apple products DO NOT make sense to me, and so their markup will always be ridiculous for me.

If people like to buy them, good for them. Seriously, I don't care anymore.

Anyway, regarding the current lawsuit battle between Apple and Samsung:

Did Apple Really

Take a look at this picture. Take a good look at it. On the right? an iPhone. (I’m not sure which revision, really.They all look the same to me.) On the left? Well that’s a little fellow from Samsung known as the Samsung F700. The image alleges that the phone was announced in 2006 and released in February 2007, but only the latter is fact. The iPhone was announced and released in 2007.

So that begs the question: who’s really stealing from who? (If you didn’t know, Samsung is being sued by Apple for the Galaxy S’ resemblance to the iPhone.) Samsung clearly had something going with this design way before they thought up the Samsung Galaxy S and before we even knew of the iPhone’s existence. And the user interface isn’t looking too much different form iOS, either. (If we’re just talking about grid-based layouts.)

The answer: no one is stealing from anyone. Apple didn’t invent icons, nor did they invent the grid in which they sit. They didn’t invent the rectangle. They didn’t invent the touchscreen. They surely didn’t invent the nice looking button sitting at the bottom. And last, but not least, they didn’t invent phones.

And all of the same applies to Samsung and any other OEM. This image should serve as a good reminder that with innovation comes imitation. A standard is always set and manufacturers will always look to meet or surpass that standard. Apple can’t go around suing everybody because their phone was the first one that looks like it to be successful. Fall back, Apple – you really have no case here. [Thanks, Suriv!]

PS: Feel free to use this as ammunition in your court battles, Samsung – we’re on your side.

The term "Apple fanboy" is so lame.
It just appeals to ridicule.
Either you like something or you don't.
And you can also like something a lot - or don't like something a lot.
What's the big deal?

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Anyway, regarding the current lawsuit battle between Apple and Samsung:

LOL @ PHOTO
Well spell checked

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

... IMO Apple's markup is ridiculous.

Are you a holder of Apple shares? If so you would have access to their financial statements that specify their yearly net margins. Without this information you don't know what Apple's mark-ups really are.

Originally Posted by schmenke

Are you a holder of Apple shares? If so you would have access to their financial statements that specify their yearly net margins. Without this information you don't know what Apple's mark-ups really are.

At the risk of repeating myself for the nth time on this topic:

A Dell XPS with Windows 7 - $999

A Macbook Pro with Mac OS X - $1799 (Inferior hardware compared to the Dell)

Source: Amazon.com

The Macbook is obviously lined with diamonds, right?

Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

LOL @ PHOTO
Well spell checked

Apple fanboy!

What happened to the punctuation in your post? You forgot to check it? Just saying.

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

At the risk of repeating myself for the nth time on this topic:

A Dell XPS with Windows 7 - $999

A Macbook Pro with Mac OS X - $1799 (Inferior hardware compared to the Dell)

Source: Amazon.com

The Macbook is obviously lined with diamonds, right?

Who needs diamonds? For some people apples are more than enough!

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

Yes, but two iPhone 4S' cannot have processors and LCD panels built by two entirely different manufacturers. They are manufactured by Samsung. Apple also buys NAND flash memory from Samsung, a key component in every iPhone and iPad, which would lead me to believe every iPhone 4S also has flash memory made by Samsung.



I am not debating that.

Sorry to be pedantic but you do not KNOW this. As Jag has already pointed out there are supply contracts around where the design is not specified, all the supplier has to do is come up with enough items that fulfil the specification criteria and supply them. They do not have to be manufactured by the supplier unless this is specified in the contract.

Therefore its perfectly possible that the flash memory whilst supplied by Samsung may actually come from several different suppliers, possibly the same might go for the LCD although the processor is almost certainly Samsung produced only.

If you doubt this to be true Toyota took so damn long to reply to questioning about the sticking accelerator issue because they have several different suppliers manufacturing different pedal modules for the same cars. As long as they all fit in the same space and did the same job Toyota didn't care who made them until they had to trace back a potential fatal error and had to check exactly which company had manufactured the system that 'failed' (they didn't fail it turned out) in each car involved.

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

My main gripe is and always has been Apple's ridiculous markup. People can buy whatever they want.

Then why dismiss Pino's choice and reasoning so out of hand?

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

But that's just opinion. Fact is when it comes to listening to MP3 or even FLAC on smartphones, it's purely down to personal preference, and I'm aware of that. But claiming that the iPhone's sound is best in the market is quite far fetched.

I don't think you quite understand that not everything can be objectively measured, certainly not sound quality.

I haven't compared an iPhone and a Samsung back to back for sound quality and I really couldn't care less either, however has it crossed your mind that an iPhone might be set up to have a different sound than the Samsung? If Pino is a classical and jazz man he may prefer a warmer setup. If he's more of a rock and dance man he'd probably go for a more upfront setup. Perhaps he compared several phones and preferred the iPhone setup to that of its alternatives? Maybe the iPhone plays Arcam to Samsung's Marantz?

BTW I had to laugh at the line about knowing about sound quality because you've had different soundcards, classic. Computers (Apple or PC) are utter trash when it comes to sound quality, only one better than phones.

Originally Posted by Malbec

BTW I had to laugh at the line about knowing about sound quality because you've had different soundcards, classic. Computers (Apple or PC) are utter trash when it comes to sound quality, only one better than phones.

Are you saying that a discrete sound card is no better than an onboard chip?

Originally Posted by Malbec

Therefore its perfectly possible that the flash memory whilst supplied by Samsung may actually come from several different suppliers, possibly the same might go for the LCD although the processor is almost certainly Samsung produced only.

Why are we repeating the same things? I already said Apple might source flash memory from elsewhere, but the processor is definitely Samsung made. Perhaps reading my posts before jumping to bash might help. As far as LCD panels go, that is debatable, and may have many suppliers, but from what I read about the iPhone, Samsung and Sharp were the two main manufacturers.

Originally Posted by Malbec

Then why dismiss Pino's choice and reasoning so out of hand?

Hmm. So, he can opine that the iPhone has the best sound in the market, but I can't challenge that with my own opinion? WTF?

Originally Posted by Malbec

I don't think you quite understand that not everything can be objectively measured, certainly not sound quality.

I haven't compared an iPhone and a Samsung back to back for sound quality and I really couldn't care less either, however has it crossed your mind that an iPhone might be set up to have a different sound than the Samsung? If Pino is a classical and jazz man he may prefer a warmer setup. If he's more of a rock and dance man he'd probably go for a more upfront setup. Perhaps he compared several phones and preferred the iPhone setup to that of its alternatives? Maybe the iPhone plays Arcam to Samsung's Marantz?

So, if you haven't compared the two devices, what you're saying is pretty basic, bleeding obvious stuff, nothing special, and everybody knows that, or else every soul in the world will have the exact same audio equipment.

Bottom line is, discrete audio chips and sound cards provide better audio quality compared to onboard sound and that's a fact.

Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden

And I also believe Windows 7 is a better OS than Mac OS X.

It's difficult to decide which one is the worst OS