Thread: Should pitbulls be banned?

Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Vicious pit bull! Kills everything on sight!!

Lovely - but can you guarantee something won't happen and that very dog, all of a sudden for no reason, turns and rips the cr4p out its human owners?

Originally Posted by Knock-on

My point is that these dogs are only a problem when abused as weapons by thugs.

Has there never, ever, been an incident in which a dog with responsible owners has suddenly decided to attack a human? I doubt this. After all, children can sometimes go off the rails when they have enjoyed the best of parenting.

Originally Posted by Knock-on

There are many around my area and without exception they all exhibit friendly personas. Mostly the people that have them do have tattoos and very short hair but there is no evidence that they are anything but responsible pet owners.

Are they people you would consider responsible in all respects, or just dog ownership?

Originally Posted by Starter

No one can guarantee anything, but some things are much more probable than others.

You want to save lives and serious injury? Ban automobiles. They are responsible for death and serious injury many, many, orders of magnitude more than pit bulls. Those who try and legislate all risk out of life are on a foolish quest. Life is full of risk. Statistically speaking, you or I are much more likely to be harmed by our fellow man, bee and scorpion stings, drowning, snake bite and a myriad of other causes than from pit bull attacks. To those who wish to sanitize the world we live in, I say "Get a life".

Completely agree. I was kinda erring on the side of 'there are plenty of don't give a stuff parents who'd leave their kids unattended with the dog'. Now, that's fine for little ****zu or Chihuha job that does a smaller crap than an earthworm, but not when you keep a pitbull or a rottweiler with teeth that'd scare Roy Scheider!

Originally Posted by BDunnell

Has there never, ever, been an incident in which a dog with responsible owners has suddenly decided to attack a human? I doubt this. After all, children can sometimes go off the rails when they have enjoyed the best of parenting.



Are they people you would consider responsible in all respects, or just dog ownership?

Why do you have to use such dogmatic arguements that imply claims never made.

Nobody ever claimed that dogs can't go off the rails the sme ways as humans can develop psychotic behaviour or suffer breakdowns.

Also, I never made any claim that these dog owners were anything apart from what I had observed and that was that IMO they seem like responsible dog owners. I make no claims as to their lives in general.

The hysteria surrounding the danger of dogs is worthy of the finest Daily Mail campaigns. There is a small problem that nobody is denying but some people go on as if this is a major danger when the reality is much different.

strange this thread hasn't been mauled yet

Not my kind of dog,don't see anything about them that I like,but the same goes for lots of other dogs too!I prefer a more placid dog such as a Labrador much nicer dog all together

Originally Posted by Roamy

you can start a new thread on guns: However
Do we need this. Wonder how may chihuahua's are on the list

• 31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.3
• Notably in 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims. Of the 22 total pit bull victims, 68% (15) fell between the ages of 32 to 76, and 32% (7) were ages 5 years and younger.
• The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls.
• Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 74% (157) of the total recorded deaths (213).
• The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 128 Americans, about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days.
• Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger.

I grew up around large dogs.

If a doberman or german shephard attacks, the bites will be painful for an adult, but I was taught how to defend myself against such attacks, and if necessary even kill one of them by grabbing them undernaeth the neck and crushing their windpipe. Now it can be hard to do that, while the dog is chewing your arm off, but it can be done.

Unfortunately, children are likely to be killed or seriously hurt, often with torn off ears and body parts that can not be replaced, and so forth. One child lost her entire nose, when a german shepahard jumped a fence, and then came in through a screen door in a viscous attack.

Usually the best way to deal with the threat from such a dog, is to NOT RUN. When you run, they chase, because of their hunter instinct. Stand your ground, do not act afraid and do not act like you are going to attack, do not kick or hit at them, and act like you belong there.

A pitbull is totally different. They are likely to attack anyway, no matter what you do, once they are slipping into the attack mode......There is no way an adult can stop their attack. The neck is about as thick and muscular as it can be.


Only thing useful to successfully defend one's self, is a gun




The dogs are illegally used in the deep south to fight each other in pits. Micheal Vick went to prision because of such activities. should still be there....................

Before that, in the good ole days of merry old england, when there was not anyone who needed to be drawn and quartered on a stage, with their guts being pulled out very slow........

So as an alternative, to provide amusement to everyone, from the lowest peasant to the highest royalty, kings and all, one or two pit bulls were thrown into pits with bulls and bears in a fight to the death, which the dog often won......with jaws crushing the vertebrae of the bull.


all dogs will attack...........but none is nearly as likely to be so devasting as a pit bull

That scene with the dog and child....well, all it takes is for the child to jump or run at the wrong moment and the dog's attack instinct will take over. The dog does not heve to have been abused or mistreated, it could have been a sweet puppy all its life, but it is just doing what almost any dog will do. Attack something that is acting like prey or presenting a threat.

Originally Posted by henners88

Not quite sure what the video has to do with what I said but there we are. I could train a Jack Russell to be vicious or play with a baby but if it got out of hand, I'm fairly sure I'd have the strength to control it. There are far nicer dogs to have amongst your children in any case and children being savaged by Spaniels is thankfully rare.

training the dog to be mean or to be nice is not necessary at all. When dogs attack, be it a pitbull or some toy poodle, it is almost always because the dog felt threatened or even more likely, some (often innocent) act triggered the dog's instincts for chasing and hunting down prey took over....

Mistreatment increases the probability of an attack because the dog acts unfriendly, barks and scares people into reacting in the wrong fashion, but that attack potential is always present in any dog

Originally Posted by donKey jote

strange this thread hasn't been mauled yet

i was busy on other things.....

Originally Posted by donKey jote

strange this thread hasn't been mauled yet

We should put the lid down on this one.

oops . . . sorry that was for another thread that has since been flushed.
sorry.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by race aficionado

We should put the lid down on this one.

oops . . . sorry that was for another thread that has since been flushed.

I guess someone got pissed off...

From the recent news in my country. A staffordshire terrier owner brought his pet for the first time from the city to the countryside. The inexperienced dog had never seen animals at large, so when he saw a young horse he decided to do a little hunting. As a result his owner had to pay the damage for the dead horse.

Yep here we go again with these worthless pieces of sh!t - What they need to do is declare open season on them.
[h=Pit bulls attack, kill Wisconsin toddler]1[/h]

Published March 06, 2013
Associated Press

TOWN OF WALWORTH, Wis. – Authorities say a young boy has died after he was attacked by a couple of pit bulls in southeastern Wisconsin.
According to the Walworth County sheriff's office, the county coroner's office confirmed that the boy died of his injuries at a Milwaukee area hospital about 3:30 p.m. Wednesday.
The sheriff's office got a 911 call from a 30-year-old woman Wednesday saying she and a 14-month-old boy were being attacked by pit bulls.





Read more: Pit bulls attack, kill Wisconsin toddler | Fox News

Dogs like that are simply unfit for a domestic lifestyle especially where children are concerned. You'd have to be mental to allow small children near a pit-bull and unsupervised. They are far too powerful to control should something go wrong. I wouldn't want to wipe their breed out completely, but dogs like that have certain uses, one being defence in a working sense. They are not domestic animals simple as.

correct henners - i have 4 oz of police pepper spray and a glock 10mm and I am not even sure if i would try spraying first.

Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

What a weird combination of stereotypes.

The mother of one of the private tenants in our old housing estate (murder towers we affectionately called it) could often be seen in her back garden - which from the moment they moved in had not been laid to turf, just bare earth - mowing the 2-3ft long weeds. Her son had several pittbulls he bred in the garage. I'd suggest such stereotypes were tailor made for oiks such as that........

Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

What a weird combination of stereotypes.

I know its an old post of yours, but welcome to the chav-ier side of Great Britain. Stereotype it is not unfortunately lol.

Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Just want to read some opinions.

We should ask pino really. I guess if they don't bite anyone here, then they should be allowed to enjoy posting here, same as Chihuahuas. Maybe Mark could shed some light.

Originally Posted by henners88

I know its an old post of yours, but welcome to the chav-ier side of Great Britain. Stereotype it is not unfortunately lol.

Maybe not, but it is overused.