Thread: Should pitbulls be banned?

Originally Posted by D-Type

The other day i saw a bloke with shaven head, tattoos, studded leather jacket, etc and he was walking TWO pit bulls and a rottweiller. I wonder what he was over-compensating for

Back on thread: if you do decide to ban pit bulls - how do you define one?

That's the exact problem. Here the equivalent is same guy, overweight, ugly, lifted noisy pickup with mud bog tires, gun racks and NRA (National Rifle Association---the huge lobbying group) and USMC stickers ( though the schmuck was never a Marine) on the bumper a walking breathing cliché. And if he speaks you know he dropped out of the 9th Grade..
I knew an idiot like that in the area I had my shop once and his Rottweiler was big and he was unloading some junk and he says "Better be careful, Bertha is trained to blah blah blah" I looked at the dog, she was relaxed, tail stub wagging so I held out a fist and said right to the dog "hey Bertha, free pets" and the dog ambled over literally smiling and 3-4 ear scratchies and Berth just leaned on me "doing the tug boat" just leaning hard..
We were instant friends.....and that dog was far far brighter than the stupid, and violent owner.

The problem is the owners and their lack of training, and lack of brains, and it not unsurprisingly, it is imparted to the dog usually.

How do you ban stupid?

Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

How do you ban stupid?

It would never work. At some point the politicians would realize they were creating a law banning many of them, so the law would get axed.

Originally Posted by airshifter

It would never work. At some point the politicians would realize they were creating a law banning many of them, so the law would get axed.

Same with them banning prostitution...since lobbying is allowed and that's what a lot or them are---in if the sheer numbers or those with R next to their name who were convicted in the last 20 years doesn't give a hint what the values are of that group, nothing will.
Lobbyist "Say, Senator, lookin for a good time?"
ba boom ba boom ba boom.

Originally Posted by D-Type

The other day i saw a bloke with shaven head, tattoos, studded leather jacket, etc and he was walking TWO pit bulls and a rottweiller. I wonder what he was over-compensating for

Back on thread: if you do decide to ban pit bulls - how do you define one?

they have simple dna tests now

Originally Posted by Knock-on

Banning things should be banned.

Dogs don't kill people, people kill people and guns, guns kill people too. I wonder how many more people are killed by guns than dogs but some of the sme people on here that would be up in arms ( couldn't resist ) at the suggestion of restricting ownership of an inanimate weapon yet are quite happy about culling a living pet just because a few idiots abuse the training of them.

All I can say is that nobody would dare break into my house and most of the time, the doors are left open. I don't have a gun, knife, baseball bat but a German Shepherd that's got a Bark that can cause seismic damage. He's also very loving, a valued member of the family and great fun to have around and I know several Pit Bulls that are the same.

We have Laws for people that carry knives, guns etc and people that abuse the training of their dogs so that they are a weapon should be dealt with at least as harshly.

you can start a new thread on guns: However
Do we need this. Wonder how may chihuahua's are on the list

• 31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.3
• Notably in 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims. Of the 22 total pit bull victims, 68% (15) fell between the ages of 32 to 76, and 32% (7) were ages 5 years and younger.
• The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls.
• Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 74% (157) of the total recorded deaths (213).
• The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 128 Americans, about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days.
• Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger.

Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

How do you ban stupid?

If you manage to find a way you might save us all.
They all say we are all born equal, good joke, so it will be difficult to ban them.

Originally Posted by Roamy

you can start a new thread on guns: However
Do we need this. Wonder how may chihuahua's are on the list

• 31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.3
• Notably in 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims. Of the 22 total pit bull victims, 68% (15) fell between the ages of 32 to 76, and 32% (7) were ages 5 years and younger.
• The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls.
• Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 74% (157) of the total recorded deaths (213).
• The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 128 Americans, about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days.
• Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger.

Let us know how many people were killed in car accidents last year.
IMO the leaders in the homicide statistics are the bad drivers. And the first thing that should be banned are idiots with a driving license.

Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

My dear Carla can't wear a muzzle. She's a pug and has a flat snout.

Put it in your handbag.

Originally Posted by ioan

Let us know how many people were killed in car accidents last year.
IMO the leaders in the homicide statistics are the bad drivers. And the first thing that should be banned are idiots with a driving license.

ok and then the pitbulls

Pit bulls aren't inherently vicious. They are very biddable, that is, they will do what their owners ask of them, even to their own detriment. The problem is that some owners abuse this characteristic because they want an aggressive dog. Take away the pit bull, and they'll do the same to a different breed. If you want to deal with this as an issue, then make it mandatory for owners to be licensed, so that you can revoke the license of irresponsible dog owners.

Originally Posted by Roamy

ok and then the pitbulls

Nope, idiots with firearms and stupid politicians going to war are next, pretty sure about that too.

Originally Posted by Knock-on

Dogs don't kill people

So those incidents when dogs killed people weren't actually dogs killing people, but instead...?

I don't really support a ban, but pitbulls are one of those breeds of dogs who I really really hate and despise (I despise rottweilers and dobermans as well), so the less of those creatures are around the better.

Originally Posted by ioan

. And the first thing that should be banned are idiots with a driving license.

So basically you would take the license from every female?

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

So those incidents when dogs killed people weren't actually dogs killing people, but instead...?

Well, quite.

Originally Posted by Roamy

thanks Gloomy you just posted the correct law

Homie, you're all over the place. You seem to be a proponent of having less government interference with our daily lives, and now you want more government regulation? Make up your mind kid.

I see your statistics, and they're pretty laughable. More Americans died rolling off the bed than they did from dog attacks. Let's ban beds too! Does that make sense? No. I offer this solution: if a dog causes an injury/death, then simply have the dog euthanized and criminally punish the owners. Wait a second! That's the Status quo.

Dog fighting wasn't always something common (even though it's been in American history since the late 1800's), and didn't really take off until about 25 years ago when the mob decided to use dog fights as a way to gain some side cash. Pitbulls have the unfortunate quality of being a breed that are aggressive towards other dogs, so they're perfect for dog fighting if they are trained to do so. On the other hand, pitbulls are not human-aggressive and can be trained to be docile house pets and loving creatures.

Get your facts straight, son. Also, if you intend to actually refute any of what I posted, then can you actually go line-by-line. I really hate it when you post something along the lines of, "well, you're a liberal so you wouldn't know" or "you're anti-American, so you don't know anything," because one sentence of vitriol is pretty sad and shows a lack of articulation.

Originally Posted by FormerFF

If you want to deal with this as an issue, then make it mandatory for owners to be licensed, so that you can revoke the license of irresponsible dog owners.

No. Way too complicated and difficult to enforce. Another government loophole? No thanks! Dog owners who want a pup for illicit means will never attain a license. Common folk on the straight and narrow will have to fork out more cash for more policing.

Want to make your dogs fight? Sure. Go ahead. Follow Vick's path to a glorious 2-year penitentiary visit as well.

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I don't really support a ban, but pitbulls are one of those breeds of dogs who I really really hate and despise (I despise rottweilers and dobermans as well), so the less of those creatures are around the better.

Thanks Garry. I can live with that type of response, but I'm sure you'd agree that you're too arrogant to even care. If you despise those types of breeds, then I think I have a solution for you!

Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Thanks Garry. I can live with that type of response, but I'm sure you'd agree that you're too arrogant to even care. If you despise those types of breeds, then I think I have a solution for you!

I have 2 st.bernards at home :P

My comments regarding those 3 breeds of dog was based on the negative experiences I have had with these dogs and their owners who tend to be stupid idiots. In fact with one of these breeds I have actually had to threaten to shoot them if I ever see these dogs near my house again - a threat I would carried out without any hesitation.

Too arrogant to care about whether you can live with my opinion or not? I would lie if I said I would lose sleep over someone agreeing or disagreeing with me on an internet forum

Originally Posted by henners88

I really don't understand why any person would want such a powerful dog as a pet to be quite honest. I can appreciate it may make some feel a little more superior in themselves when walking down the street but the witnessing view is usually quite different.

Vicious pit bull! Kills everything on sight!!

Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

Vicious pit bull! Kills everything on sight!!

A LION CALLED CHRISTIAN: The Touching Reunion - YouTube

Should people have lions as pets as well?

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

I have 2 st.bernards at home :P

Awesome dogs!

My comments regarding those 3 breeds of dog was based on the negative experiences I have had with these dogs and their owners who tend to be stupid idiots. In fact with one of these breeds I have actually had to threaten to shoot them if I ever see these dogs near my house again - a threat I would carried out without any hesitation.

I don't blame you. Do what you have to do in order to protect yourself.

Too arrogant to care about whether you can live with my opinion or not? I would lie if I said I would lose sleep over someone agreeing or disagreeing with me on an internet forum

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

A LION CALLED CHRISTIAN: The Touching Reunion - YouTube

Should people have lions as pets as well?

Sure. If they can afford to set up a sanctuary and pay the appropriate fees/licensing for a non-domesticated animal.

Originally Posted by henners88

Not quite sure what the video has to do with what I said but there we are. I could train a Jack Russell to be vicious or play with a baby but if it got out of hand, I'm fairly sure I'd have the strength to control it. There are far nicer dogs to have amongst your children in any case and children being savaged by Spaniels is thankfully rare.

I was trying to provide evidence as to how this silly "macho" persona isn't really applicable when describing a pit bull. Different dog breeds have different personalities, but it all comes down to training as to the outcome of their behavior.

Originally Posted by Garry Walker

So those incidents when dogs killed people weren't actually dogs killing people, but instead...?

I don't really support a ban, but pitbulls are one of those breeds of dogs who I really really hate and despise (I despise rottweilers and dobermans as well), so the less of those creatures are around the better.

I was refering to the famous NRA slogan that Eddie Izzard adopted so well.

Eddie Izzard Monkey with gun - YouTube

My point is that these dogs are only a problem when abused as weapons by thugs.

There are many around my area and without exception they all exhibit friendly personas. Mostly the people that have them do have tattoos and very short hair but there is no evidence that they are anything but responsible pet owners. These people prefer a macho dog just as they might prefer Strong lager instead of Red Wine or a Ford Mondeo over a Fiat 500. To destroy a breed of dog because of a small number of thugs is a bogus arguement that the statistics that Fousto posted beautifully demonstrate. It is also worth noting that most of the deaths were the owners.