View Poll Results: Is there a god?
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YES; I am a theist.
PROBABLY YES; I'm an agnostic theist.
PROBABLY NOT; I'm an agnostic atheist.
NO; I'm an atheist.
Who cares? I don't.
30th May 12, 22:03 #321
31st May 12, 07:20 #322
1st Jun 12, 21:00 #323
Orthodox priests had their way also to punish people, even in recent times.
No mater which religion they have none of them are angels.
5th Jun 12, 07:25 #324
7th Jun 12, 14:26 #325
Yes, but there is other examples, in my country, while the commies took power, they were really intolerant to religious people and killed many priests, because they (the commies) were hardcore atheists. So atheism could be very intolerant as well.Formula 1
7th Jun 12, 17:22 #326
Or because the Church was and is an integral part of the capitalists system and a major part ---with their pretty stories about obedience to authority and a wonderful AFTERlife---of how the whole system was perpetuated?
Cause you know that Revolutions of all sorts usually want to topple the existing power structure, and the Church 000or something calling itself "the church" is usually part of the power structure..
The French Revolution wasn't too nice to the Church, the Mexican Revolution of 18 whatever stripped the church of its wealth which was overwhelmingly the biggest collective wealth in the country by mega factors, ....
Half of my country is sick and tired past their eyebrows of whore-politicians listening to so called "Christian Conservatives" who are relentless in trying to force their vision of a Taliban-like theocracy on the rest of us.
Pretty understandable why the commies would have animosity.
"You cannot serve two masters" some guy once said..
7th Jun 12, 21:37 #327
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8th Jun 12, 08:14 #330
However communists can be blamed for horrible crimes, priests can't. And it's fair to say that simply following a rite doesn't make you a good christian.
Originally Posted by Ioan
Itís with regret that I have (again!) to say youíre completely lost from the realities of your country. History is based on documents and not on what you listern at a queue in Matache market.
Itís a fact that there were informers among priests Ė this phenomenon occured esp in the last years of communism and I donít think they did a lot of harm. The anticommunist feeling was quasi general in that period. Even ďSecuĒ closed their eyes and only add ďfactsĒ at our files. And informers were among all of us, doctors, teachers, scientists, artists, writers or simply workers or peasants.
Itís also a fact (but you seem to ignore it, hopefully you do it from lack of knowledge ) that in the stalinist period ( the one when you risked to be sent in jail or channel for a simple joke and when most of the horrible communist crimes had happened in communist camps) many priests were those who supported the resistance fight against communism, many of them were sent to jail Ėsometimes for the only fault that they believe in God-, and even in jail they helped the other political prisoners to keep their dignity.
BTW, Ioane, have you ever heared of father Dumitru Staniloae?
8th Jun 12, 08:17 #331Formula 1
8th Jun 12, 08:30 #332
Esp. that 2 weeks ago Cristian Mungiu's movie "Beyond hills" based on this case trimphed at Cannes film festival.
What happened at Tanacu is an isolated case and every community has its fools. For those who don't know what we're talking about: a nun was killed by a priest and 4 other nuns in a so called act of exorcism.
But what do you ( Ioan ) think about the fact that the priest was found guilty only for the lack of victim's freedom and a few days ago he was liberated? Justice is not religious....
8th Jun 12, 17:37 #333
8th Jun 12, 17:57 #334
With regret I have to say that you don't understand what you read and write.
BTW I'm not sure what you Matache market is, I personally learned history from books not from your neighboring market, nor from the soap operas.
People working in the Securitate were not closing their eyes to anything, every person over whom they've got an information has been interrogated and the means they were using were in many cases extreme.
Many thousands of people have been imprisoned for life and/or sentenced to hard work at the Danube / Black See channel, and you have think these brutal beasts were turning a blind eye to the information?! Tell that to all those poor political prisoners and to their families!
And those priests you try so hard to protect were the ones who spilled teh beans for many of those thousands who roted in prisons and in work camps!
How many of them turned into secret police informants and how many did something good. If you knew the facts you might be surprised. Though it seems that you are a bit misinformed. And BTW even though they have been proved to have been secret police informants those priest are still part of the church and still preaching to people about their gods teachings! Funny eh?!
I've read not so long ago a story about a priest who recently did something good for the village that he is assigned too and I say good to him that's a person who deserves praise, the problem is that he's one of the very few priests who do such things even though the Church has the means (read money) to help the people in need.
8th Jun 12, 17:59 #335
Though I know you're just trolling around here, so why don't you just get lost unless you have great knowledge about priests in communists countries between 1945 and 1989, in which case please do not keep it a secret.
8th Jun 12, 18:44 #336
ioan, cool down and remember that you are not in position to tell our members to get lost...thank you!When you're tired of rallying...you're tired of life
11th Jun 12, 08:38 #337
Iím tired to explain you that the communist period in our country had different stages.
All of them were horrible but you canít compare the Stalinist period with the 70-80ís years. The first is associated with the crimes you mentioned ( letís not forget that the work at the Channel as a punishment for bourgeoisie was ceased in 1955 ) and also with a resistance movement. Iíll be glad if you can tell me the name of a priest who denounced in that period.
In the years of Ceausescuís regime, Secuí was still a fearful institution but however we felt somehow a liberalization. I dare say it was the period when Secuí expanded its network of informers and priests were not exception. Letís not forget either that Secu has its own role when Ceausescu was ousted.
BTW if the proportion is 1 to 1000 letís be useful: I named one now itís your turn to name 1000 delation priests to counterbalance my example. With proofs of courseÖ.
21st Jun 12, 00:45 #338
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24th Jun 12, 22:17 #340
I believe there is a God. I find it very fulfilling to live my life believing that there is.TŪr gan teanga, tŪr gan anam