Is There a God?

**Storm** · 22nd May 12, 11:46

Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that atheists outnumbered believers on a poll
(I know small sample but still)
Thats the first time it has happened to me that I am in a group where I am not the blackest of black sheep. (I wouldnt really mind if there was a God/Entity, but only that he would be sensible enough to show himself once and for all so as to abolish the ridiculous concept of religion)

**ioan** · 25th May 12, 21:33

Just an example of how religion is turning people into idiots

Indonesia says 'No' to Gaga | Photo Gallery - Yahoo! News

I am no way a Lady Gaga fan, but I couldn't give a damn about all her concerts, so why are these people so bothered about a concert that they are not forced to attend to?!

**markabilly** · 26th May 12, 16:20

Hey, I do not know, but everyday, I pray there is no hell.

Then the old lady says, where do you think you are, if you ain't there already.................I just tell her every since I went blind, I forgot what you looked like...........

**race aficionado** · 26th May 12, 18:46

Gesundheit!

**gadjo_dilo** · 28th May 12, 09:05

Originally Posted by ioan

Just an example of how religion is turning people into idiots

Indonesia says 'No' to Gaga | Photo Gallery - Yahoo! News

I am no way a Lady Gaga fan, but I couldn't give a damn about all her concerts, so why are these people so bothered about a concert that they are not forced to attend to?!

There is always someone to protest against things they aren't forced to do or attend ( see those topless ukrainian girls ). You see only the religious fanatics - mind you, not every religious person is necessarily so radical .

BTW I'm a Gaga fan ( how else could be a dilo ?

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**ioan** · 28th May 12, 10:01

Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

There is always someone to protest against things they aren't forced to do or attend ( see those topless ukrainian girls ). You see only the religious fanatics - mind you, not every religious person is necessarily so radical .

Just question a bit the truth of their religion and most of them will react in a radical way, this thread is proof enough for it.

**gadjo_dilo** · 28th May 12, 10:20

Ioan,

1. Are you sure you aren't also radical in judging other opinions?

2. Do you think I'm the "habotnic" ( how can we translate this? ) type?

**ioan** · 28th May 12, 10:26

Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Ioan,

1. Are you sure you aren't also radical in judging other opinions?

Who knows? I'm certainly not the most objective in judging myself.

Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

2. Do you think I'm the "habotnic" ( how can we translate this? ) type?

Can't say for sure. I think that you're unsure about what exactly you are.

**ioan** · 28th May 12, 10:27

And the Catholic Church might disintegrate due to internal struggles for power one of these days:

Vatican faces widening of leaks scandal - Yahoo! News

**F1boat** · 28th May 12, 10:49

Whatever you believe, I do think that you must be tolerant of the other opinions. I say that because I notice a worrying trend - religious people are getting more fanatical, churchmen more judgmental, but atheist too are going on the attack and always bash religion. I hope that this won't end in tears.

**gadjo_dilo** · 28th May 12, 10:49

Originally Posted by ioan

Can't say for sure. I think that you're unsure about what exactly you are.

I'm not what I seem to be
Nu Sunt Ce Par A Fi - Ion Minulescu

(Lovely lyrics)

**donKey jote** · 28th May 12, 11:37

Originally Posted by F1boat

Whatever you believe, I do think that you must be tolerant of the other opinions.

Not always. There is a limit to tolerance. The problem is setting the limit.

**Brown, Jon Brow** · 28th May 12, 16:17

To be truly tolerant you have to tolerate the intolerant.

**ioan** · 28th May 12, 16:31

Originally Posted by donKey jote

Not always. There is a limit to tolerance. The problem is setting the limit.

Exactly, some attitudes should not be tolerated.

**donKey jote** · 28th May 12, 16:53

Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

To be truly tolerant you have to tolerate the intolerant.

To be truly tolerant is certainly not one of my goals, if that means having to tolerate absolutely everything or anything, just for the sake of being able to call myself truly tolerant.

**airshifter** · 28th May 12, 17:12

Originally Posted by ioan

Just question a bit the truth of their religion and most of them will react in a radical way, this thread is proof enough for it.

Reading the thread I find quite the opposite. Those without religion seem much less tolerant of any opinion that doesn't fit what their personal view is.

**F1boat** · 30th May 12, 16:48

Originally Posted by donKey jote

Not always. There is a limit to tolerance. The problem is setting the limit.

Probably you are right, but don't be surprised that the other side may respond with intolerance, if you are intolerant. For example, when atheists actively ridicule the beliefs of people, why they are surprised when religious cuckoos claim that their freedom is threatened?

**donKey jote** · 30th May 12, 21:35

There is always a limit, the problem is finding a limit everyone in a particular society agrees on.
Take the forums here, for example... I'm sure we're all pretty intolerant towards things like religion induced terrorism or genocide.
However I doubt we can all ever agree on "Thou shall not kill", be it in one direction (capital punishment) or the other (abortion), or on whether the word marriage can be used for non-heterosexual civil unions, or on stem cell research, just to name a few of the many other contentious topics...

**Brown, Jon Brow** · 30th May 12, 21:53

@donks - Why not intolerance to genital mutilation of infants?

**Brown, Jon Brow** · 30th May 12, 22:00

One thing I would like to add is that being critical of something isn't the same as being intolerant. One must not forget that until relatively recently if one dared criticise religion they would end up being burned at the stake.