Accident prone car brands

**wedge** · 13th Jan 12, 14:20

Originally Posted by henners88

I think ioan may have confused the connection with Skoda as they use older VW technology. Right track though.

The Golf, followed by the Polo are the most re-badged/re-hashed chassis by VAG.

Fabia is really a Polo

Octavia is based on Golf

Superb is based on Passat which itself based on the Golf

Only the Seat Exeo uses the 'old' Audi A4.

**SGWilko** · 13th Jan 12, 14:22

Originally Posted by wedge

The Golf, followed by the Polo are the most re-badged/re-hashed chassis by VAG.

Fabia is really a Polo

Octavia is based on Golf

Superb is based on Passat which itself based on the Golf

Only the Seat Exeo uses the 'old' Audi A4.

Like Vauxhall, they based their 'MPV' the Touran on their small hatch. Zafira based on the Astra, and cannot accomodate 3 car seats in the middle just like the Touran - based on the Golf - cannot.

**wedge** · 13th Jan 12, 14:37

It's called platform sharing.

**Rudy Tamasz** · 13th Jan 12, 15:01

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Zafira based on the Astra, and cannot accomodate 3 car seats in the middle just like the Touran - based on the Golf - cannot.

I myself sat in a Zafira with three rows of seats. You must have mistaken it for the Meriva.

**Malbec** · 13th Jan 12, 15:10

Originally Posted by henners88

I think ioan may have confused the connection with Skoda as they use older VW technology. Right track though.

Not necessarily, the Skoda Fabia used VW's new small car platform first, before the Polo and years ahead of the A1.

Audi's A4 is shared with the Passat and the A6 is handed down to SEAT.

I don't think the VW group particularly care which brand gets what platform or technology first, its just a matter of which product comes to the end of its cycle when the new technology becomes available.

**GridGirl** · 13th Jan 12, 15:51

Originally Posted by Malbec

I don't think the VW group particularly care which brand gets what platform or technology first, its just a matter of which product comes to the end of its cycle when the new technology becomes available.

I do believe this is correct and also applies when they facelift current models.

**ioan** · 13th Jan 12, 18:02

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Don't you have to request bulbs to be placed into the indicators on BMW's when ordering, usually at a hideous extra cost.

Or do the owners mistakenly think they are too posh to push [the indicator stalk]?

More like they believe that their car is so great that it read their minds and does it on its own!

**ioan** · 13th Jan 12, 18:06

Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I myself sat in a Zafira with three rows of seats. You must have mistaken it for the Meriva.

Sure they do have three rows of seats, but they do not have 3 full seats in a row.

**ioan** · 13th Jan 12, 18:10

Originally Posted by wedge

No its not. It's the other way round.

A4 & A6 have their own chassis.

A3 & TT use the same platform as the Golf. The new A1 is the same as the Polo.

The A4 and the Passat share the same chassis at least for the last two generations. And at least in Europe the newer A4 was launched before the newer Passat.

Originally Posted by Malbec

Not necessarily, the Skoda Fabia used VW's new small car platform first, before the Polo and years ahead of the A1.

Audi's A4 is shared with the Passat and the A6 is handed down to SEAT.

As far as I know the Skoda Superb is based on the previous A6 platform.

**wedge** · 14th Jan 12, 01:07

Originally Posted by ioan

The A4 and the Passat share the same chassis at least for the last two generations. And at least in Europe the newer A4 was launched before the newer Passat.

No, only 1 generation.

Both shared the same B6 platform prefix because both were in their 6th iteration.

Originally Posted by ioan

As far as I know the Skoda Superb is based on the previous A6 platform.

Wrong. Unless Eastern Europeans are getting preferential treatment...

**ioan** · 14th Jan 12, 09:56

Originally Posted by wedge

No, only 1 generation.

Both shared the same B6 platform prefix because both were in their 6th iteration.

Still the A4 was first out. At least in Germany and Austria. Might be a marketing difference to the UK. Around here Audi is seen as the top car of the VAG, followed by VW, Skoda and Seat.

Originally Posted by wedge

Wrong. Unless Eastern Europeans are getting preferential treatment...

Yes and no, it uses a modified (read lengthened) VW Passat B6 and VW Passat CC Plattform PQ46, as the Superb wheelbase is 60 mm longer than that of the B6 Passat.

Anyway, back to BMW drivers!

**A.F.F.** · 15th Jan 12, 09:43

Back in the 80´s there was a saying in Finland; Saabism is sickeness, based on the Saab-drivers behaviour. Novadays it's BMWs, Audis, Volvos and big-arse SUVs of any brand.

**Mark** · 15th Jan 12, 10:40

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Don't you have to request bulbs to be placed into the indicators on BMW's when ordering, usually at a hideous extra cost.

BMWs always have right of way. So indicators are not required.

**ioan** · 15th Jan 12, 13:09

School buses, two of them involved in a pile up:

Texting Teenager Responsible For Deadly Highway Pile-Up

**SGWilko** · 15th Jan 12, 15:42

Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

I myself sat in a Zafira with three rows of seats. You must have mistaken it for the Meriva.

Yes, but can you get three child seats on that middle row? The middle seat is designed with the anorexic among us in mind.....

**ioan** · 15th Jan 12, 17:46

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yes, but can you get three child seats on that middle row? The middle seat is designed with the anorexic among us in mind.....

Exactly.

**Mannie** · 10th Apr 12, 20:42

Originally Posted by SGWilko

.....or the fuel pump burns out due to the really poor design of the saddle fuel tank which, if you allow to run below one quarter full, the syphon from one side starves one of the fuel pumps which fails due to running dry. Very common, and came about as a result of the design when rover was owned by.....

.....guess who???????

Ah yes but then you see the odd bods at MG/Rover started to think out side the box of them BMW's and I am the proud owner or one of the few ZT-T 260's V8's, shoe horning a FORD Mustang engine into the front wheel car and making it rear wheel drive............but you all know this...........however for those who might think it's just another MG/Rover them owners of BMW's or what ever you like, you can fit a Supercharger to the standard 4.6 lump and go from 260 BHP to 420 BHP with 488 ft lbs of the big T .
A bit of a shock when I cruise past with my ladders on the roof, OH thier faces are a picture.
All the above are faults but change I WOULD NOT.....................................

**odykas** · 11th Apr 12, 15:36

I think there are 2 different issues for discussion:

1) Accident prone car brands
2) Car brands that attract accident prone drivers

In most of the cases it's #2 that makes the difference.

**ioan** · 12th Apr 12, 19:15

With the risk of coming across as a misogynist I vote for Smart driven by women. Almost rolled over one today when she forgot what priority to the right means.

**D-Type** · 12th Apr 12, 20:14

Nissan Micra - the driving school favourite, hence chosen by many timid drivers as their first car (which presumably is why Nissan offer driving schools such generous terms). Nervous driver = accident prone
Small white vans - driven by young wannabee jack-the-lads who feel they don't look 'cool' in a small van. Disgruntled driver = accident prone
BMW - because they're BMW drivers - 'nuff said

This could so easily turn into "Vent your prejudices" couldn't it?