Stupid people

**Daniel** · 12th Aug 11, 23:23

Spotted this on Facebook and thought some on here might like it

**Brown, Jon Brow** · 12th Aug 11, 23:25

That is quite amazing. Although I've never actually seen people use the hard shoulder in this way before.

**steveaki13** · 13th Aug 11, 08:58

Great stuff, I hope that someone takes note of all their number plates.

Good Job.

**Mark** · 13th Aug 11, 15:59

I think the people on the hard shoulder thought they could get around the traffic and off at the next junction, well if that were possible everyone would have done it! Idiots.

Apparently the coach company has been inundated with calls!

Although I do have to point out the reporter was also committing a criminal offence by walking along the motorway.

**CarlMetro** · 19th Aug 11, 09:52

Originally Posted by Mark

Although I do have to point out the reporter was also committing a criminal offence by walking along the motorway.

Which was exactly what I thought when I saw this.

**SGWilko** · 19th Aug 11, 10:03

Slightly veering OT here, but do you think we will ever see in-car Sat Nav linked to vehicle speed/throttle etc so that eventually, it will be impossible to speed?

**Daniel** · 19th Aug 11, 10:19

Originally Posted by CarlMetro

Which was exactly what I thought when I saw this.

To be honest though I don't see it as a problem. I know it's against the letter of the law and all that, but I think if what he did stops a few people driving up the hard shoulder then it's fantastic.

**ioan** · 19th Aug 11, 14:46

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Slightly veering OT here, but do you think we will ever see in-car Sat Nav linked to vehicle speed/throttle etc so that eventually, it will be impossible to speed?

Probably, the question is why would people not hack it?

**SGWilko** · 19th Aug 11, 15:09

Originally Posted by ioan

Probably, the question is why would people not hack it?

Well, if they get nicked for speeding, and the software was found to be hacked, their sentence would NOT be lenient perhaps?????

**Malbec** · 19th Aug 11, 15:37

Originally Posted by SGWilko

Slightly veering OT here, but do you think we will ever see in-car Sat Nav linked to vehicle speed/throttle etc so that eventually, it will be impossible to speed?

Nope.

It is legal to speed in particular circumstances for safety reasons such as during overtaking. Recording average speeds might be a different matter but continuously recording vehicle location would be a bit Big Brother don't you think?

**SGWilko** · 19th Aug 11, 15:42

Originally Posted by Malbec

Nope.

It is legal to speed in particular circumstances for safety reasons such as during overtaking. Recording average speeds might be a different matter but continuously recording vehicle location would be a bit Big Brother don't you think?

Well, I wasn't advocating tracking speed, just making it impossible to exceed the speed limit (Citroen have a system on their C3 where you can set a maximum speed, but it requires to be set by the driver). I am advocating that, if you are on a 40mph road, your car cannot exceed thet speed, on a motorway, 70 etc, and the sat nav, knowing where you are, knows what max speed the car should be allowed to attain.....

You'd need to banish freight vehicles to the inside lane only (nothing riles me more that a lorry, travelling a 55mph, is overtaken by one doing 56mph, and it takes 17 counties to complete the manouvre), leaving 2/3 lanes free for other road users so that they can overtake the middle lane huggers travelling at 55-60

**Mark** · 19th Aug 11, 15:49

It's not legal to speed while overtaking! Even though it's safest to get by as quickly as possible, the law makes no allowance for this.

**SGWilko** · 19th Aug 11, 15:55

Originally Posted by Mark

It's not legal to speed while overtaking!

I suspect however, that you would probably be able to get off with a warning if the reason for the speeding was to complete a safe overtake.

A bit like, if you are coming up to a set of lights at a pedestrian crossing, and they start to change as you approach in the wet, if there is some spotty 17 year old up your chuff in a corsa with a spoiler bigger than Hamleys, and you don't chose to slam on the anchors to stop in time, you could argue that the risk of being rear ended mitigated the offence of failing to stop for a red light......

In any case, it happened to guy I knew many moons ago, he lost his license because he said he had not looked in his mirror, judge felt for him, and told him if he had looked in his mirror and there was a car up close, he'd have been let off with a caution.

**Malbec** · 19th Aug 11, 16:29

Originally Posted by Mark

It's not legal to speed while overtaking! Even though it's safest to get by as quickly as possible, the law makes no allowance for this.

Thats not been my experience. I almost failed my motorbike test because I refused to overtake a truck doing 40 in a 40 zone and I also got shouted at by a police officer on a police riding course in a similar situation, refusing to overtake someone who was already exactly at the speed limit.

In both cases I was told that speeding would be permitted, even expected as long as I didn't take the mickey. The only exception to this I was told was if I was caught by a speed camera and even then if I appealed I should be able to argue my corner.

**CarlMetro** · 19th Aug 11, 17:28

Originally Posted by Malbec

even then if I appealed I should be able to argue my corner.

Well whoever has told you that was wrong. Short term exessive speed in the process of an overtake whilst overtaking a vehicle travelling slower that the posted speed limit is acceptable, however if the vehicle to be overtaken is already travelling at the posted speed limit then short term excessive speed would not be acceptable and prosecuted under the same rules as any other excessive speed offence.

However lets try and keep this thread on topic and not divert it to a completely different subject.

@Daniel - Sorry buddy but I tend to disagree, bit silly to break a law to display other people breaking a law. It's a bit like using your hand-held mobile whilst to ring the police and tell them that the bloke in front has bald tyres and no rear lights. If the man with the camera was an on duty police officer or a member of the highways agency staff then I would applaud him for his actions. It is down to those not just with the authority but also the training to enforce the law, not some numpty with a camera phone walking up and down a live motorway which could have become active without any warning.

**Malbec** · 19th Aug 11, 17:44

Originally Posted by CarlMetro

Well whoever has told you that was wrong. Short term exessive speed in the process of an overtake whilst overtaking a vehicle travelling slower that the posted speed limit is acceptable, however if the vehicle to be overtaken is already travelling at the posted speed limit then short term excessive speed would not be acceptable and prosecuted under the same rules as any other excessive speed offence.

Do you mind telling me where this information is available? I was told by my riding instructor, examiner and a police officer that speeding in this instance is fine but others like you insist it isn't.

**Mark** · 19th Aug 11, 17:47

Carl, I would tend to agree. Pedestrians are banned from motorways for a very good reason.

Now standing outside your car in stopped traffic might be tolerated. But what if they wanted to restart a stopped motorway and a load of people were away from their cars?

**Mark** · 19th Aug 11, 17:50

Originally Posted by Malbec

Do you mind telling me where this information is available? I was told by my riding instructor, examiner and a police officer that speeding in this instance is fine but others like you insist it isn't.

There's a difference between what's sometimes tolerated and the law. There has been a change in attitude to speeding in recent years and overtaking is no longer an acceptable reason. In fact overtaking in itself is increasingly being frowned upon; which is just silly.

**Daniel** · 19th Aug 11, 18:19

Originally Posted by Mark

There's a difference between what's sometimes tolerated and the law. There has been a change in attitude to speeding in recent years and overtaking is no longer an acceptable reason. In fact overtaking in itself is increasingly being frowned upon; which is just silly.

I disagree. A lot of people these days seem to see speed limits as a goal or someone travelling at the speed limit as a target.

Carl, in the 500 do you feel that some people make an extra effort to overtake you? Kind of like having to prove that their penis is faster and more manly than your penis? If you get what I mean.

**Mark** · 19th Aug 11, 18:41

Originally Posted by Daniel

I disagree. A lot of people these days seem to see speed limits as a goal or someone travelling at the speed limit as a target.

Carl, in the 500 do you feel that some people make an extra effort to overtake you? Kind of like having to prove that their penis is faster and more manly than your penis? If you get what I mean.

I'm not sure which part you are disagreeing with.