Thread: Clinton in North Korea

This has nothing to do with politics.

I think Billy did this for a ménage à trois with two Korean chicks.

Clinton meeting "eye to eye" had nothing to do with these two being released. It had been pre-negotiated. There is no way a former President would have opened himself up to a failure of that magnitude. However I don't, and no one does, know how the negotiations went down.

The question that is on my mind is, what did we (the US) give up to secure their release. I have trouble believing that Kim Jong Ill would have just released them without getting something in exchange.

Originally Posted by chuck34

The question that is on my mind is, what did we (the US) give up to secure their release. I have trouble believing that Kim Jong Ill would have just released them without getting something in exchange.

Maybe what they got in exchange was Clinton visiting North Korea. North Korea has insisted it bilateral high level negotiations with the US and not those "six country" talks with just low level US officials attending, but the US has refused, just like Bush refused to meet Ahmadinejad.

Originally Posted by Eki

Maybe what they got in exchange was Clinton visiting North Korea. North Korea has insisted it bilateral high level negotiations with the US and not those "six country" talks with just low level US officials attending, but the US has refused, just like Bush refused to meet Ahmadinejad.

Maybe that's all they got. Is that a good thing though? NK could use pics of Clinton and Kim as propoganda. Is that good? You might think so, others not.

Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

This has nothing to do with politics.

I think Billy did this for a ménage à trois with two Korean chicks.

Never cared for him when he was President. But I wouldn't fault the Big Dog for that.

Originally Posted by chuck34

Clinton meeting "eye to eye" had nothing to do with these two being released. It had been pre-negotiated. There is no way a former President would have opened himself up to a failure of that magnitude. However I don't, and no one does, know how the negotiations went down.

The question that is on my mind is, what did we (the US) give up to secure their release. I have trouble believing that Kim Jong Ill would have just released them without getting something in exchange.

That one is easy, Billy would have swapped them for a ton of porn.

Originally Posted by rah

That one is easy, Billy would have swapped them for a ton of porn.

Well that's not even in question. :-D

I think Bill being willing to meet the North Koreans eye-to-eye, after they and Hillary ragged on each other recently, did make this possible. If he had said, "nope, I'm not going to show up", I think these two would still be busting rocks or washing NK soldiers' dirty underwear... or whatever they had them doing.

I've never taken it away from him that the ol' boy has loads of charisma and he's got rock star status in many places these days. Good job, Bill. If Dick Cheney had taken this trip, they'd have probably shot the girls as his plane was landing.

Once again the Dems embarass the US.

I hear that's what is making the rounds on right wing radio today, Anthony. But I'm still trying to figure that one out... and me not exactly a great lover of Slick Willy.

Yeah, an embarrassment if Kim Jong Il had said, "No, Mr. Willy, you go away. We busy now. We send lil girls back when we feel like it. First, they need to rub my feet and fix me a salad. You got salad dressing with you, Mr. Willy? No?! Then like I say, go away! Come back next week, or maybe next month. We very busy now! Go! Shoo!

Oh BTW, you got very cool hair, Mr. Willy. You like old Elvis. And me like Elvis. Still, you go away now!!! And tell Obama I play basketball too. I dunk on his ass if he ever play me. I bad man!!! Go home, Slick Willy!"

But Slick shows up, jaw bones for awhile, the girls call him their knight in shining armor and Kim Jong Il gives them up. Everybody gets on the plane and comes home. Other than getting a past President to show up in NK, I don't see that Kim got anything out of this. And I don't see that the U.S. was embarrassed. Possession is 9/10th's, the way I see it. We got the girls back, Kim gets poked by Hillary later in the day and the status quo goes on.

The last thing I'd do if I was a little 5'3" dude, who was sensitive about my height (ya know, one who wears platform shoes and big hair): NEVER sit in a chair the same height as the one used by a 6'2" guy. Never do that! Damn, short stuff! What kinda proper Napoleon are you???

Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Once again the Dems embarass the US.

How??

Originally Posted by Eki

Maybe what they got in exchange was Clinton visiting North Korea. North Korea has insisted it bilateral high level negotiations with the US and not those "six country" talks with just low level US officials attending, but the US has refused, just like Bush refused to meet Ahmadinejad.

What Bill Clinton gave North Korea's president was face. I have worked in Korea and I fully understand the meaning. All thos eposting jokes here should take a good long look at what Bill Clinton achieved there. Just have a look at the faces of the two women as they arrived back in the US.

But Ahmadinejad is a different situation altogether. If you have a look at this picture here http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/features/, then read the accompanying article, you will see that no outside leader can effect political change in Iran - it will be effected from within.

BFD
He should go get them - no since in wasting these young girls lives. Matter of fact if they didn't let them go we should have traded them for Al Gore. The world knows N. Korea is a terrorist country so I fail to see any underlying value other that getting the girls back .. I just wonder if Clinton passed screening for cigars.

All of this is just plain crap. They hate us we hate them - if they fire a rocket our way that has a warhead we will shoot it down on top of them.

Iran will get their ass kick by israel and if israel loses they will detonate all their nukes and destroy half the world on their way out. That is why I can't understand the thinking of all you surrender monkeys. Do you not get the fact some rouge country will build enough nuke to destroy most of the world. Russia, china, EU is too interested in living which make Nuke war unlikely. That is why we should not allow nukes in rouge nations. I think I remember if Israel fires all their stuff it will take out most of the EU.

I'm confused, Fousto. Are you saying that we need to turn Israel into a giant parking lot before they do something stupid?

Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

The last thing I'd do if I was a little 5'3" dude, who was sensitive about my height (ya know, one who wears platform shoes and big hair): NEVER sit in a chair the same height as the one used by a 6'2" guy. Never do that! Damn, short stuff! What kinda proper Napoleon are you???

I've always liked this photo of the Finnish Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen and Vladimir Putin:



For once, the Russian Prime Minister is looking up to the Finnish Prime Minister.

Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I'm confused, Fousto. Are you saying that we need to turn Israel into a giant parking lot before they do something stupid?

You can't now Jag. They have too many weapons which is why I am saying you cannot allow rouge nations to have nukes - once the build a hundred or so then you can see the enormous problem.

Originally Posted by fousto

You can't now Jag. They have too many weapons which is why I am saying you cannot allow rouge nations to have nukes - once the build a hundred or so then you can see the enormous problem.

OK. I see what you mean.

But Israel was safe anyway (from us). You and I both know that the Evangelicals, neocons and Zionists among us would blow up New York and Washington, D.C. before they'd see anything happen to Israel.

But yeah, once a nation reaches critical mass with nukes, it's harder to do anything with them. Pakistan, India and South Africa always worried me the most.

Originally Posted by steve_spackman

How??

Really? You don't know?