Thread: Israel uses the same excuses again and again

It's good to be chosen...

The Israeli Army says it was unaware that a clinic was operating in the building. It claimed Hamas used the premises as an arms store.

It's funny that the Israeli Army didn't know there was a clinic, but they "knew" there was a Hamas arms store. Did they believe that the big white cross painted on the roof was cross-hair aim indicating a Hamas arms store?

" no Hamas troops were in the building at that time."
Bolding mine.
In other words not denying that Hamas did at times use the building.

Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

" no Hamas troops were in the building at that time."
Bolding mine.
In other words not denying that Hamas did at times use the building.

Maybe, if they needed to use the clinic services. But the possibility that Hamas members may visit the clinic occassionally isn't a good enough reason to destroy it IMO.

Originally Posted by Eki

Maybe, if they needed to use the clinic services. But the possibility that Hamas members may visit the clinic occassionally isn't a good enough reason to destroy it IMO.

Akin to bombing a NYC hospital because members of the mafia were spotted within.

Originally Posted by Eki

It's funny that the Israeli Army didn't know there was a clinic, but they "knew" there was a Hamas arms store. Did they believe that the big white cross painted on the roof was cross-hair aim indicating a Hamas arms store?

Because Hamas arms stores normally have their own symbol on top of them? Seems like FCA ought to make their actions more open, including telling Israeli authorities

Originally Posted by Eki

I'm sure it was a deliberate act to destroy Palestinian infrastructure:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2009/...se_878014.html

Well to be honest im not shocked at all by what the terror state Israel does anymore....

EKI They read all your posts on this forum. They thought perhaps you would be visiting so they took the Liberty of trying to get a terrorist.

Originally Posted by Eki

I'm sure it was a deliberate act to destroy Palestinian infrastructure

I'm also sure that it was a deliberate act to destroy Palestinian infrastructure. Then again when you have Hamas in government which has as Article 1 its Charter "the destruction of the State of Israel and to establish an Islamic state in the whole of Palestine" then you can not hold Palestine up as some shining beacon.

This is just another tick of the clock or barbarism. There are no "goodies" or "baddies" here, they're all baddies.

The fact that you keep on favouring any side in this conflict either indicates that you have not learnt history or refuse to learn the lessons that it teaches.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

OMG

Originally Posted by Eki

no Hamas troops were in the building at the time. The building was also clearly marked as a clinic.

Those evil Israelis.

Everybody knows that Hamas Terrorists wear bright orange shirts with the words "Terrorist" emblazoned on the back and front.
They would never take advantage of useful idiots from country like....say.......Finland.
To think that terrorists would use something like a clinic to stage attacks from and hide is preposterous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oesBeCFAlg

I think the mere fact that they are Protestant Evangelists they should be put up against a wall and shot!
I suspect it may be different in Finland. Plus these are Lutherans.
But Evangelical Baptists in the US are a pain in the @ss
And of course I am being facetious, because I respect their right to worship!
But they are by definition tasked to spread the "Good News" to the evil pagans.
In my book they are another group of religious nutters.
They are extremely coercive in the Bible Belt of my country,
George W Bush NEVER would have gotten elected without their "Blessing".
But in defense of dubaya he didn't come through with any of the faith based initiatives
he whipped this flock into a frenzy over!

Originally Posted by Tazio

I suspect it may be different in Finland. Plus these are Lutherans.
!

Yes, about 80% of Finns belong to the Lutheran church, but most are not very religious. And even the religious ones aren't very vocal. The church can even be quite tolerant these days. Just recently a Lutheran priest had a sex change operation from man to woman and they let him keep his job. And according to the Finnish law, the President of Finland is automatically the head of the Lutheran church, and she doesn't even belong to any church!!! But then again, she's also the head of the Armed Forces, while she's never done any military service.

Originally Posted by fousto

EKI They read all your posts on this forum.

Eki;

Figure out who really runs NASCAR Inc and that statement isn't as silly as it sounds.

Thanks fousto!

Originally Posted by Eki

Yes, about 80% of Finns belong to the Lutheran church, but most are not very religious. And even the religious ones aren't very vocal. The church can even be quite tolerant these days. Just recently a Lutheran priest had a sex change operation from man to woman and they let him keep his job. And according to the Finnish law, the President of Finland is automatically the head of the Lutheran church, and she doesn't even belong to any church!!! But then again, she's also the head of the Armed Forces, while she's never done any military service.

Thanks for that explanation.
They put themselves in harm’s way for selfless reasons, with good intentions.
At least you didn't have any of your countrymen come home in body bags as a result of this unfortunate event.

Originally Posted by Rollo

I'm also sure that it was a deliberate act to destroy Palestinian infrastructure. Then again when you have Hamas in government which has as Article 1 its Charter "the destruction of the State of Israel and to establish an Islamic state in the whole of Palestine" then you can not hold Palestine up as some shining beacon.

This is just another tick of the clock or barbarism. There are no "goodies" or "baddies" here, they're all baddies.

The fact that you keep on favouring any side in this conflict either indicates that you have not learnt history or refuse to learn the lessons that it teaches.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Thank you Rollo for at least being a voice of reality on this one. I am so tired of reading one post after another telling me about how bad the Israeli's are without any condemnation of the Palestinians.

I have said it before and will say it again, all of this stops when then Palestinians and other Muslim factions (Hezbollah) in the area stop using violence as a means to an end, that is the end of Israel.

Israel aint going anywhere, so if you persist in fighting with them, they will fight back and do stupid things like blow up a bunch of bricks that belong to some Finnish Lutherin do-good types who mean well but obviously have come from the same naive strain of DNA Eki comes from....

Israel doesn't always do the right thing, but they are no more evil than most of the Muslim world. The problem is, the people who persist in keeping this war going are NOT the Israeli's. Israel would be far better off if they didn't have to devote a large portion of their GNP on defense and security issues.....so spare me this fiction they want to fight for the sake of it.

No...they are clumsy and often cruel but that is part of winning a war. It always has to go back though to where the fight started and why it is happening and who really is benefitting. When you are objective, you realize Muslim extermists and the dictators of the Arab world are the only ones gaining by peristing in this nonsense of the denial of the right of Israel to exist, for it suits their domestic political agendas and gives something to the masses who are focused on hating the Jews rather than the oppressive crooks that run their world. Read a little Orwell and you understand this...

Originally Posted by steve_spackman

Well to be honest im not shocked at all by what the terror state Israel does anymore....

I'm just reading a book about it, mainly aimed at the arms trade to the conflict and who supplied those arms.

In short, we did

Then when the Israelis didn't/don't pay for their arms, the Brit tax payer got/gets to underwrite the bill

Is there any winner in this mess (beside the arms companies)?

Originally Posted by Hazell B

I'm just reading a book about it, mainly aimed at the arms trade to the conflict and who supplied those arms.

In short, we did

Then when the Israelis didn't/don't pay for their arms, the Brit tax payer got/gets to underwrite the bill

Is there any winner in this mess (beside the arms companies)?

Israel, Israelis and the Israeli government?

Originally Posted by Drew

Israel, Israelis and the Israeli government?

They only win when people stop trying to kill them. Spending more than 10% of your GNP on defence isn't good for your economic health....