BRC to be two wheel drive only in 2012

**Coach 2** · 25th Dec 11, 22:36

I think it's very brave of BRC and try something new, when the sport obviously need a vitamin-injection.
Moreover, many people have mentioned that the most important thing you need to succeed in the rally, is money, not talent.
A championship in 2wd will not be cheap, but you can not as easily buy the results at the top if one is rich and has no talent.
The fact that the BRC choose 2wd should satisfy many who write on this forum.

**Sulland** · 26th Dec 11, 00:02

Originally Posted by Coach 2

The fact that the BRC choose 2wd should satisfy many who write on this forum.

Yes, but I fear that many of those would like the driving pair of wheels to be in the back!

**BDunnell** · 26th Dec 11, 00:07

Originally Posted by Sulland

Yes, but I fear that many of those would like the driving pair of wheels to be in the back!

Not at all. This would clearly be impractical given the lack of RWD road cars. But I'd like to see variety — just as I'd like to see it in the WRC.

**Steve Boyd** · 26th Dec 11, 17:07

Originally Posted by BDunnell

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough, I think — I used 'are' in the sense of 'if they continue to be the same'. My apologies.

Well, it was an outstanding period in comparison with what has followed, and in terms of strong manufacturer-backed entries. However, I agree with you. The like of those British Open series days we will surely never see again, for a great deal of the magic was provided by the chance to see leading overseas drivers competing against the top Brits. That's not about to be repeated.

I see what you mean now. It would have been great if there had been the entries to justify continuing with the rules as they were. If the change brings us back to anywhere near the F2 era then I think the decision will have been justified.
I do think we need to get away from the notion that the BRC is just a stepping stone to WRC, though. A valuable training ground, yes, but if you think winning the BRC will catapult you into WRC you need to think again. If there are half a dozen seats in WRC & drivers stay there 12 years then you only need one new driver every 2 years. With UK, Ireland, France, Spain, Italy, Norway, Sweden, Finland &c all producing contenders for that 'one vacancy every couple of years' then one BRC graduate every decade is beating the average. If the BRC can become a championship that both UK and foreign entrants find attractive & competitive then the next Burns or McRae will follow - but not that often!

**Sulland** · 26th Dec 11, 19:43

Would love to see a BMW 1 series coupe with R3T engine !!!

**BDunnell** · 26th Dec 11, 20:19

Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

I do think we need to get away from the notion that the BRC is just a stepping stone to WRC, though.

I agree, but the problem is that in order for it to become anything other, it needs to again turn into a series of great importance in its own right. Time was, after all, when being British champion was an accolade in itself.

**Steve Boyd** · 27th Dec 11, 19:30

Exactly!

**Mirek** · 27th Dec 11, 19:52

Originally Posted by Sulland

Would love to see a BMW 1 series coupe with R3T engine !!!

Turbo engines are not really suitable for RWD cars. Without anti-lag it's very difficult to drive them and even with it I don't think it's the best You can use. Naturally aspirated unit or a one with supercharger is for sure better for RWD.

**janvanvurpa** · 30th Dec 11, 16:54

Originally Posted by Mirek

Turbo engines are not really suitable for RWD cars. Without anti-lag it's very difficult to drive them and even with it I don't think it's the best You can use. Naturally aspirated unit or a one with supercharger is for sure better for RWD.

Mirek, normally I look forward to read you posts, they seem well reasoned. Now this ^.....
When sized realistically power is early, and broad, and the whole point is to make it EASIER---more torque spread nicely is always easier than very peaky very high rpm n.a. motor (I build rally motors here in USA----have one one of out National Champignonskit for 2wd cars)

How can you say what you did?
And the way you say it it SEEMS that it could be misunderstood that you're say turbos are suitable for FWD, and again that seems confusing...

Too much Pils?

**Mirek** · 30th Dec 11, 18:17

What I meant is the turbo lag, especially with high pressure turbochargers without ALS.

**Sulland** · 30th Dec 11, 19:17

But on the other hand the drivers love driving RWD cars...... So maybe a cup will make them sell?

**Bolton Midnight** · 3rd Feb 12, 17:37

Originally Posted by BDunnell

Time was, after all, when being British champion was an accolade in itself.

By that I assume you think it isn't any more?

clueless

**tolis** · 3rd Feb 12, 18:43

Tom Cave will drive a Citroen DS3 R3! He'll also do some international events!

**Tom206wrc** · 5th Feb 12, 14:44

Originally Posted by tolis

Tom Cave will drive a Citroen DS3 R3! He'll also do some international events!

Desi Henry and Osian Pryce are on Rally Sunseeker 2012 entrylist with DS3 too

**Allyc85** · 5th Feb 12, 18:20

Sadly a very small entry for the first round of the championship.

https://www.rallies.info/webentry/20...e=u&combined=1

What a change from what used to be a great event

**AndyRAC** · 5th Feb 12, 18:36

Hmm, not great is it? A shame, the move to the BRC so far hasn't worked. During the ANCRO years, it was a 'must see' event - and I always drove down from the NorthWest to watch. Didn't last year, and I doubt I will this year.
Problem is, without the old ANCRO series, where can it go?

**Mirek** · 5th Feb 12, 18:39

Obviously the problem isn't in cost of cars, although maybe some people will suggest to use only R1 next year...

**MrJan** · 5th Feb 12, 19:02

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Hmm, not great is it? A shame, the move to the BRC so far hasn't worked. During the ANCRO years, it was a 'must see' event - and I always drove down from the NorthWest to watch. Didn't last year, and I doubt I will this year.
Problem is, without the old ANCRO series, where can it go?

It's been crap for years. In recent seasons this rally has always clashed with a football game that I go to instead, this year I've got the weekend free but I'm still not sure that I'm going to bother.

**Tom206wrc** · 7th Feb 12, 13:17

Originally Posted by Allyc85

Sadly a very small entry for the first round of the championship.

https://www.rallies.info/webentry/20...e=u&combined=1

What a change from what used to be a great event

Is it final entrylist

**Allyc85** · 8th Feb 12, 17:42

There will probably be a few more after the Wyedean this weekend, but looking at the cost of entering this event and so close to others I doubt it will be a huge amount more.

With the price of tickets and the shallow entry I doubt I will be going, which is a shame as its always been an event ive enjoyed with it not being too far away from where I live