Thread: BRC to be two wheel drive only in 2012

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Agree about the IRC Rally Scotland - fantastic event, great stages, great scenery....Why it has never been included is a crime.

I recall that there was talk of once again including the RAC (as in the then Network Q) in the British championship when it wasn't a full WRC round in 1996. Sadly, it came to nothing. Has there ever even been talk of the IRC round forming part of the BRC?

Originally Posted by BDunnell

And I must say that I have never heard of any of the individuals of whom you write. Largely my own fault, I know, but I simply can't bring myself to be interested any more. Are these people genuinely talented prospects?

Sadly no, I think Elfyn Evans (Gwyndaf Evans' son) has the talent but no real money. On talent I think he is the best chance for a future career driver from the British Isles. Breen is a rich kid. Bogie has been driving the family Metro 6R4 Group B car. Look how close Elfyn is to Breen today in France - then factor in Breen's experience of WRC events, this is Elfyn's 2nd ever rally outside GB! - Look at the times - if only Elfyn were French to qualify for FFSA backing or Finnish for Juohki to bankroll him.

Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Agree about the IRC Rally Scotland - fantastic event, great stages, great scenery....Why it has never been included is a crime.

Not included because Sunseeker is - it's jobs for the boys like most things to do with MSA.

Originally Posted by BDunnell

Or genuinely good quality privateer teams. The BTCC has plenty — WSR, Jordan, Motorbase, etc. Where are the equivalents in British rallying?

ProTec, TEG sport are good privateers but that isn't enough it MUST be proper factory teams.

Originally Posted by MJW

if only Elfyn were French to qualify for FFSA backing or Finnish for Juohki to bankroll him.

Indeed, but the MSA don't see it like that they want to keep our money for themselves, well got to have some bubbly at Pall Mall.

Elfyn Evans is not registered for WRC Academy but with Lemes' exclusion Elfyn would have been top Fiesta, as it is Alister Fisher won WRC ACADEMY, As things now stand Elfyn is top 2 wd car on WRC France, ahead of McCormack who is in an R3 DS3 and does French championship.

I saw Evans as course car on the Wyedean which was his first time in a 4wd and he absolutely flying and then seeing him on the Sunseeker a few weeks later confirmed to me that he has massive natural ability. Its just highly likely that he wont be able to get the funding he needs to compete on the world stage which is such a shame.

Originally Posted by Allyc85

I saw Evans as course car on the Wyedean which was his first time in a 4wd and he absolutely flying and then seeing him on the Sunseeker a few weeks later confirmed to me that he has massive natural ability. Its just highly likely that he wont be able to get the funding he needs to compete on the world stage which is such a shame.

Needs to change his name to Evansenen, same with Croninen, etc
I don't think the Finns are any better, they just get the opportunities....

17th o/a and top 2 wheel drive on only his 2nd event outside the British Isles (note not UK, to include his past rallies in RoI)

Says it all really!

If id have won that massive euro millions a couple months back id have setup a rally team just for up and coming drivers from the UK to show what they could do! And of course have a car for myself, even if I do know id be crap lol

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Jukka Korhonen has won the Pirelli backed drive in a R2 Fabia in next years BRC proving you dont have to be from the UK or Ireland to win the drive. Not quite sure about this when we as a nation are struggling to get driver progression thru to the WRC and the Skoda UK birth is taken by a Scandanavian aswell however the best guy obviously got the gig. Will be interesting to see how the Fabia stacks up against the R3 competition in the BRC next year and this news may bring a few more overseas drivers into the championship aswell.

Done just to make the BRC look good.

Last weekend there was first gravel start for Fabia R2 in Italy in Ronde Balcone delle Marche. Elwis Chentre won it in 2WD. Full results here: Rally FICr

Are we or will we see any results of that Britain is going 2wd only?

- Higher numbers of drivers?
- New teams or constellations formed?
- Development of 2wd cars by british tuners?
- Development of British top drivers?
- Other

I also read on another forum that BRC would adopt the R-GT class in from 2013. Is there any truth in this?

Originally Posted by Sulland

Are we or will we see any results of that Britain is going 2wd only?

- Higher numbers of drivers?
- New teams or constellations formed?
- Development of 2wd cars by british tuners?
- Development of British top drivers?
- Other

A shame that no-one, including me, has taken notice of your post up to now.

I think it could be quite good news if the tech rules are the same as those in the IRC. Then, at least, the top-line cars in the British series will be the same as those run at the front in a major international series. I think this is always of major benefit to a national championship.

Sadly I think the lack of responses to the previous post illustrate the general lack of interest in our "premier" series.

I think at best we can safely reply "other" to your questions...

IMO the fact that the BRC is run as standalone business with salaries of the BRC team etc being taken out of the entrants fees before even a wheel is turned in anger means that the motives for taking the series down this route have to be questioned. I dont think anyone in UK rallying truly believes in a "ladder of opportunity", at best the one we have now has no rungs. Works drives are hardly growing on trees at the moment and the most recent winners of the BRC have driven down career cul de sacs in their pursuit of the title.

The RACMSA has stopped well short of backing young drivers with hard cash like the FFSA etc and I know a lot of other competitors in the UK have expressed publicly that they dont see why their licence fee money should go to fund someonelses rallying. Therefore I'm not sure what someone who is looking to the BRC is hoping to achieve if they are from the UK. From overseas then perhaps its a different story...

Originally Posted by BDunnell

I think it could be quite good news if the tech rules are the same as those in the IRC. Then, at least, the top-line cars in the British series will be the same as those run at the front in a major international series. I think this is always of major benefit to a national championship.

BRC rules have been the same as IRC for the last few years. In 2010 there was only one S2000 car (Breen/Fiesta). It started 5 out of 6 events. In 2011 there were three S2000 cars, Greer/Fabia (6 starts out of 6 events), Barrable/Fabia (3 starts out of 6 events) & Jones/MG (1 start out of 6 events). All the other 4WD cars have been N4, and there haven't been many of them. The opportunities have been there but there haven't been enough takers. Something needed to change to spice things up, maybe FWD will do it, after all there are those who look back on the BRC F2 era as being golden although I don't think that came close to the Gp4 days of the British Open Championship.

Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

BRC rules have been the same as IRC for the last few years.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough, I think — I used 'are' in the sense of 'if they continue to be the same'. My apologies.

Originally Posted by Steve Boyd

Something needed to change to spice things up, maybe FWD will do it, after all there are those who look back on the BRC F2 era as being golden although I don't think that came close to the Gp4 days of the British Open Championship.

Well, it was an outstanding period in comparison with what has followed, and in terms of strong manufacturer-backed entries. However, I agree with you. The like of those British Open series days we will surely never see again, for a great deal of the magic was provided by the chance to see leading overseas drivers competing against the top Brits. That's not about to be repeated.